DIII Archbold sectionals

• yupitsme

  ok, i would have to agree with you then. i thought there was a system in place. if theres not, thats a little confusing at this level and especially for the state of ohio. i hope they get that fixed and maybe something like a coaches vote comes into play after several other criterias are "tied" or whatever. thanks that helps.
• Con_Alma

  I hope there is no coaches vote personally. I also hope they don't seed anyone after the top 6.
• texasbuckeye

  Sometimes "criteria" doesn't get it right just like computers aren't always right in the BCS. You have to have a human vote at some point. I like the way it is done, being able to challenge for a seed. If a it's deserved and a coach does his homework, his wrestler will then have a decent shot at getting the seed (in most cases).
• Con_Alma

  I agree. Sometimes the rules don't get it right but if my info is correct I believe a push is going to be made to define seeding criteria this off-season statewide. A cumulative coaches vote doesn't always result in the correct outcome either.
  
  This off-season effort will consist of only seeding the top 6 in a sectional and it won't include a coaches vote. Seeding meetings will consist of a disclosure of the seeds and answering questions regarding the criteria as it applied to the results. I am hoping it is accepted so we can have uniformity statewide. If it has a glitch here and there at least we can address it statewide.
• fvwrestler2001

  congrats to the 119 from edgerton. tough call in the first round. battled way back through consi's to beat the kid 14-0 who beat him in the first round. then for 3rd and 4th beat kern of liberty center 8-5. good work.
• Rolly67

  when Kern got taken down that was one of the louder reactions of the day when 4-5 schools went nuts
• yupitsme

  the league must not be supporting eachother anymore?
• fvwrestler2001

  not to beat a dead horse but I think that it shows the GMC schools were justified in seeding vanvleet 1 and kern 2.
• visquest

  ^^^^ Gotta love that GMC Mentality. Give it up.
• Rolly67

  Vanvleet should've been seeded 3rd because he finished 3rd.
• yupitsme

  that makes no sence. if kern goes farther at state and is a two time returning sectional champ, he gets a two seed again next year? ok, so next year wierach should be a 1 seed with that mentality, he beat vanvleet right?
• fvwrestler2001

  you NWOAL people are beyond conceited. you think if you show up the world should bow to you. the original point i was trying to make with the seeds is that just b/c he is a GMC kid (and yes a weaker league I admit that) the kid was a legit contender for the seed. you act like its an avg. kid get voted over a state champ. these were 2 kids of close skill level that could have been justified either way. the GMC got screwed on seeds for years when this sectional had a majority of NWOAL teams so if after 15 years the NWOAL lost a few close votes, i'm not heart broken
• RED43

  Rolly67 wrote: when Kern got taken down that was one of the louder reactions of the day when 4-5 schools went nuts

  Whats your point?
• yupitsme

  fvwrestler2001, can you honestly sit there and tell me that if vanvleet were the returning sectional champ and kern got the seed over him, you would be ok with that? your missing the point. no humility on you coaches behalf what so ever. As for the nwoal being conceited, based on what? the gmc fans made our point for us in earlier statements about the seeding. oh ya by the way, i think we got about 25 kids out to state from our league. how did you do?
• visquest

  fvwrestler2001 wrote: you NWOAL people are beyond conceited. you think if you show up the world should bow to you. the original point i was trying to make with the seeds is that just b/c he is a GMC kid (and yes a weaker league I admit that) the kid was a legit contender for the seed. you act like its an avg. kid get voted over a state champ. these were 2 kids of close skill level that could have been justified either way. the GMC got screwed on seeds for years when this sectional had a majority of NWOAL teams so if after 15 years the NWOAL lost a few close votes, i'm not heart broken

  Name one time the GMC had a returning state Qualifier get seeded below an incoming freshman from the NWOAL. You can't! Once again, GMC mentality.
• yupitsme

  id like to know how many state champs the gmc has vs. the nwoal?????? anyone with an exact number, post it please.
• Rolly67

  RED43 wrote:

  Rolly67 wrote: when Kern got taken down that was one of the louder reactions of the day when 4-5 schools went nuts

  Whats your point?

  when kern got taken down all the gmc schools went crazy, i looked at the other mats to see what everyone was cheering about then i realized what it was
• fvwrestler2001

  yupitsme wrote: id like to know how many state champs the gmc has vs. the nwoal?????? anyone with an exact number, post it please.

  thank you for proving my point about being concieted. i already openly admitted more than once the NWOAL is a tougher league.
  
  and to respond to voting vanvleet over kern. i would have given it serious consideration based on this.
  their records were both good. vanvleet hadnt had a chance to prove himself in sectionals districts or state. vanvleet lost to miller 2-0 and kern lost to miller 9-4 (also when miller beat kern it was his first time cutting to 112 then he turned and bumped to 19 which is gutsy by cubberly). im not saying vanvleet should have been a clear cut winner. like i have been saying the whole time, i understand how it could go either way. you wont even admit that the kid should have been considered.
• yupitsme

  well you obviously think a GOOSE EGG againts miller means something. Congrats on that. Kerns 9-4 match was much closer than 2-0, i promise you that. Kern took it to Miller and on two ocations that i can remeber had takedowns that were not counted. Having said all that, theres no shame for either of those boys losing to Miller. You cant base seedings off of common opponents alone. The previous year should have meant more than that. My point again, is that and that alone. btw, were not concieted, we just work harder. dont be a hater, you can move over this way. will let you in.
• Mustang66

  Stating how many state champs the NWOAL has vs. the GMC has nothing at all to do with conceit, it's factual. It the two leagues squared off - league vs. league with league champs head to head - in any given year, in i will say the past 20 years, I don't think there is a year that the GMC would have won. And FVWrestler, i can be objective, I watched both GMC and NWOAL wrestling for far longer than those 20 years. There is NO comparison when you are talking about the strength of the leagues. THe NWOAL teams wrestle in stronger tournaments during the season, and battling each other during the season, well, the competition is tougher because the NWOAL does have larger schools. BUT, does the GMC produce outstanding wrestlers? YES, they do...along the way there have been SEVERAL very strong wrestlers from the GMC...but the list of accolades for the NWOAL DIII wrestlers is much longer and stronger, and that again is not conceit, it is factual.
• fvwrestler2001

  Mustang66 wrote: Stating how many state champs the NWOAL has vs. the GMC has nothing at all to do with conceit, it's factual. It the two leagues squared off - league vs. league with league champs head to head - in any given year, in i will say the past 20 years, I don't think there is a year that the GMC would have won. And FVWrestler, i can be objective, I watched both GMC and NWOAL wrestling for far longer than those 20 years. There is NO comparison when you are talking about the strength of the leagues. THe NWOAL teams wrestle in stronger tournaments during the season, and battling each other during the season, well, the competition is tougher because the NWOAL does have larger schools. BUT, does the GMC produce outstanding wrestlers? YES, they do...along the way there have been SEVERAL very strong wrestlers from the GMC...but the list of accolades for the NWOAL DIII wrestlers is much longer and stronger, and that again is not conceit, it is factual.

  Conceit - an excessively favorable opinion of one's own ability, importance, wit, etc.
  
  again, im not disputing the fact that the NWOAL is a stronger league. i think if you would open your eyes and read i have said that 3 times now.
  
  but this just adds to your conceit. when i openly admit that a league is stronger and you bring it up 4 times after that that you are better.
  
  the whole point i made from the begining is the edg. kid and the LC kid are both good wrestlers and i dont think it is absurd to consider the EDG kid for the one seed, but you are beside yourself thinking how great you are and that he shouldnt have been considered. b/c your leagues is stronger (and yes this is about the 4th time i have said that) doesnt mean he shouldnt be considered. but you have the attitude of "what rank someone else above us, dont you know we are NWOAL"
• RED43

  fvwrestler, look up the word stupid.
• usher460

  fvwrestler2001 wrote: not to beat a dead horse but I think that it shows the GMC schools were justified in seeding vanvleet 1 and kern 2.

  They weren't justified, it was an upset. Kern would win 9 out of 10 times.
• grass_licker

  its sad that nwoal people actually pride themselves on having a better conf than the gmc, im lmfao every school in the nwoal like literaly has a TOWN the small gmc schools dont even have gas stations, nwoal has more to chose from lmfao
• visquest

  grass_licker wrote: its sad that nwoal people actually pride themselves on having a better conf than the gmc, im lmfao every school in the nwoal like literaly has a TOWN the small gmc schools dont even have gas stations, nwoal has more to chose from lmfao

  Your username says it all. guess its better than JimBob....