Weighing in healthy kids, but forfeiting?

• Shoot and Sprawl

  Can anyone explain why a coach would weigh in a kid, and then forfeit a match at that weight?
  
  I have seen this 3 times this week, at 3 different weights, by two different coaching staffs.
  
  The kids are not injured. They all wrestled later that evening.
  
  In an age of limited scheduling points & paying hard earned money to get into events to watch WRESTLING, I find it very distasteful, even disgraceful.
• NY-Bred

  Why would you care if it is not your kid??????? maybe you should be a coach???
  

  Shoot and Sprawl wrote: Can anyone explain why a coach would weigh in a kid, and then forfeit a match at that weight?
  
  I have seen this 3 times this week, at 3 different weights, by two different coaching staffs.
  
  The kids are not injured. They all wrestled later that evening.
  
  In an age of limited scheduling points & paying hard earned money to get into events to watch WRESTLING, I find it very distasteful, even disgraceful.

• E4media2

  NY-Bred wrote: Why would you care if it is not your kid??????? maybe you should be a coach???
  

  Shoot and Sprawl wrote: Can anyone explain why a coach would weigh in a kid, and then forfeit a match at that weight?
  
  I have seen this 3 times this week, at 3 different weights, by two different coaching staffs.
  
  The kids are not injured. They all wrestled later that evening.
  
  In an age of limited scheduling points & paying hard earned money to get into events to watch WRESTLING, I find it very distasteful, even disgraceful.

  Usually the kids are sub-par and if its a dual and its close theyll wrestle them not to give up 6 points against their team
• Shoot and Sprawl

  NY-Bred.
  Really? that's your first post?
  Cause I paid to watch wrestling, not forfeits.
  Cause kids work hard to get on the mat. They deserve to get a match, when there is a healthybody to give them one.
  Cause in 1 of the 3 cases it was my kid.
  (And I have coached.)
  
  E4media2
  I don't bye the subpar argument. It is 6 points whether your forfeit or get pinned. Kids get better by wrestling matches, not by forfeiting.
• zambrown

  

  Perhaps they were weighing in to make scratch weight and then wrestling later that day(night) at their higher weight? Just a thought. It's frustrating when your kid gets a forfeit, but that's one scenario I can think of.
• tcby99

  zambrown wrote: Perhaps they were weighing in to make scratch weight and then wrestling later that day(night) at their higher weight? Just a thought. It's frustrating when your kid gets a forfeit, but that's one scenario I can think of.

  yes
• Shoot and Sprawl

  zambrown wrote: Perhaps they were weighing in to make scratch weight and then wrestling later that day(night) at their higher weight? Just a thought. It's frustrating when your kid gets a forfeit, but that's one scenario I can think of.

  Perhaps, but wasn't the case in the 3 incidents this week.
• Dad4Sports

  I've seen a coach hold a kid out if the disparity in skill/maturity levels is so great that he fears a possible injury.....
• Mat Shark

  in a dual format, i have heard the argument that putting a subpar wrestler on the mat can change the momentum of the match when he gets pinned, but i think telling any kid that he isn't even good enough to take the mat against another kid is something that would change the teams outlook and momentum of the match as well.
• Sprawl and Shoot

  well shoot and sprawl....when you are the coach, you get to make that decision! thanks
• Shoot and Sprawl

  Sprawl and Shoot wrote: well shoot and sprawl....when you are the coach, you get to make that decision! thanks

  Hey Genius,
  the question isn't WHO gets to make the decision,
  IT'S WHY WOULD IT BE MADE?
  
  Since posting this topic, I've learned it also happened twice at a different tri tonight.
• Shoot and Sprawl

  zambrown wrote:

  Mat Shark wrote: in a dual format, i have heard the argument that putting a subpar wrestler on the mat can change the momentum of the match when he gets pinned, but i think telling any kid that he isn't even good enough to take the mat against another kid is something that would change the teams outlook and momentum of the match as well.

  
  Yeah, I've got to think that the entire team would be aware of what was going on and that it would really take the air out of them anyway.

• Mat Shark

  thanks zam.
  
  what teams are doing this?
  maybe their coaches would be willing to explain?
• Hangem08

  Well on the team I follow, they have one kid who they only take to duals just so they have a chance of not giving up 6. The kid hasn't made it out the first period. B.ut he continues to get better each match. Point is that who cares if it is giving up 6? Let the kid show his progress he's made
• Sprawl and Shoot

  so let's get this straight, because you paid money to get in, a coach should automatically put a kid in, just so you can watch? sounds like good reasoning to me. sign me up!!
• I Wear Pants

  The question is which team had to put out their wrestler first. Whether it is stupid or not depends upon that.
• hasbeen

  

  Were the 3 kids who got forfeits studs? That could be the case. Maybe these young healthy kids just didn't match up well and they or the coach didn't feel it necessary to let them get embarrassed?
• 1_beast

  

  Duals are sometimes 'chess matches' the forfeits are due to coaches strategy.
• Joe Daugherty

  Chess matches + number of accumulated points + level of competition = Coaches decision = My guess.
• Mat Shark

  in my opinion, it's not much of a strategy. it gives up 6 points either way and it sends the wrong message to your team and embarresses the individual kid anyway.
  
  it doesn't say much for the coach's ability to teach the sport either. i mean he's had the kid since at least november, and couldn't teach him enough to even let him take the mat.
• Mat Shark

  Hangem08 wrote: Well on the team I follow, they have one kid who they only take to duals just so they have a chance of not giving up 6. The kid hasn't made it out the first period. B.ut he continues to get better each match. Point is that who cares if it is giving up 6? Let the kid show his progress he's made

  i completely agree. there is honor in just competing.
• NY-Bred

  shoot & sprawl -- do you do anything BUT complain on every board???
• ptrsn

  I do know of one scenario where this would be the smart move. Here it is:
  
  If you are in a match where you are pretty certain that every match is going to end in a 6 point win for one of the teams and you think you are going to win 7 of those matches and the other team is going to win 7, then the final score would be 42-42. Tie breaker criteria F which a match like this would most likely be decided by is MOST FIRST POINTS SCORED. If you don't send a kid out he cannot give up the first points so this is to your advantage. I have seen this happen 2 times.
• Joe Daugherty

  Joe Daugherty wrote: Chess matches + number of accumulated points + level of competition = Coaches decision = My guess.

  Mat Shark wrote: in my opinion, it's not much of a strategy. it gives up 6 points either way and it sends the wrong message to your team and embarresses the individual kid anyway.
  
  it doesn't say much for the coach's ability to teach the sport either. i mean he's had the kid since at least november, and couldn't teach him enough to even let him take the mat.

  I was unclear. By points accumulated , I meant the # of points that boy has ie 19 for the season. The question I have is , If a coach weighs a boy in but does not wrestle him , does that count towards his overall season points?
• KevinPetrella

  At a school where I am, 95% of our wrestlers are 1st year wrestlers. They will QUIT after their first year of losing 10-20+ times. What good is a kid to me if he quits and especially if it's someone who could be an average or even outstanding as a senior? We weigh kids in to take forfeits. You can't honestly say that any kid gets better after getting pinned or pinning after 30 seconds.