posted by like_that

Yeah, I don't recall him being in the first series.  Also, who fucking cares?  No clue what the logic was behind not starting Gordon when he was going to get significant time anyway. 

 

I agree with the guy responding to this tweet.  

Whether he started, or not, was just stupid. We all know he was getting in there shortly. Oh, run on 1st down and Gordon's on the field for 2nd down = didn't start. So dumb.

I'll take a tie versus a loss any time, especially what we are coming off of. 

It's the Steelers and they didn't beat us. 

That's great. 

This game proves why the steelers are not an elite team nor should they be considered one.

They play down to competition and routinely cannot put teams away.     

8-8, well, 7-8-1 is the best they will do this year.

For shame....the SB window has slammed shut

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Would love to see the All 22 on this one. Sounds like Tyrod had open receivers all over the field that he missed.

posted by BR1986FB

Would love to see the All 22 on this one. Sounds like Tyrod had open receivers all over the field that he missed.

IMO, he wasn't good at all--yeah, maybe he ran for a couple of first downs, but hell, Mayfield could've done that too....I would also love to know if Haley had total control of the play calling, or if Jackson held him in check

posted by vball10set

IMO, he wasn't good at all--yeah, maybe he ran for a couple of first downs, but hell, Mayfield could've done that too....I would also love to know if Haley had total control of the play calling, or if Jackson held him in check

There was some back & forth over on the OBR, some trying to defend TT's play due to "weather", the 'O-Line", etc and one of the long-time posters, who pretty much knows his shit, said (paraphrase) "unless you had seats behind the goal posts, STFU will this defending of Tyrod."

He said there were receivers running free in the middle of the field (especially on the pick TT threw Gordon's way) but TT doesn't look that way because he's afraid to throw in the middle of the field (another knock on him). Poster said with Mayfield's "vision", Browns win that game by 14 because he likely hits the two long throws that were under thrown.

TT is what he was advertised as...a "safe" QB who won't take chances, won't win you games, or necessarily lose them (guess he proved that yesterday with a tie) who takes too many sacks (holds the ball too long) and can't throw a deep ball. I knew this before the season and stated that he was going to frustrate the shit out of fans (just like he did in Buffalo) with what he leaves on the field.

Kind of why I'd have interest in seeing the ALL 22 and, not that I'm necessarily a fan of them, but PFF's grades on the O-Linemen. I heard Harrison & Bitonio didn't play "well" but I'm getting conflicting reports that they didn't play quite as bad as people would believe. Had actually heard that Harrison fared fairly well against Dupree.

posted by BR1986FB

Would love to see the All 22 on this one. Sounds like Tyrod had open receivers all over the field that he missed.

This was what I was trying to figure out during the game.  Was he just holding on to the god damn ball or was nobody getting open.  I had a hard time beliving that Gordon and Landry weren't getting open on all of those plays

posted by like_that

I had a hard time beliving that Gordon and Landry weren't getting open on all of those plays

This. 1000 damn times, THIS.

Steelers secondary is supposed to be their defenses "weak link" and you're trying to tell me two Pro Bowl level receivers can't get open? Sell that shit to someone who wants to buy some swamp real estate in Florida. He hinders this offense.

I also don't think the O-Line played as poorly as was thought but I may be wrong. He was holding that ball way too long. If you're afraid to make mistakes, you're playing the wrong position in the NFL.

As someone who has pumped up TT, he played terrible. He played well in the 4th outside of the last min INT—which was terrible. I give him a little credit for finally taking advantage of Pittsburgh turnovers in the 4th but where the hell was that early on? He helped savage a tie and we atleast didn’t lose by 2 TDs but damn we should have won this game comfortably with how well our defense played. 

Couple notes..

ward is a baller. First nfl game ever and he did a pretty solid job on the best WR in the NFL. And two picks are just a bonus. Incredible first game for him. 

Garrett is a monster. He’ll win DPOY at some point with Cleveland (assuming he can stay healthy). 

Hyde ran really well and I thought Chubb did alright too. Would have liked to see TT get duke more involved in the passing game. 

The refs were dreadful. That RTP on garrett gave Pittsburgh a TD instead of a 40 yard fg attempt. Pissed me the hell off and is when I started taking shots. 

Little confused by Haley’s play calling. Wouldn’t shock me at all if some of these calls were signaled in by Hue. 

This team has the ability to win 6-8 games this year. But I question whether Hue will prevent that from happening. 

posted by SportsAndLady

As someone who has pumped up TT, he played terrible. He played well in the 4th outside of the last min INT—which was terrible. I give him a little credit for finally taking advantage of Pittsburgh turnovers in the 4th but where the hell was that early on? He helped savage a tie and we atleast didn’t lose by 2 TDs but damn we should have won this game comfortably with how well our defense played. 

 

Couple notes..

ward is a baller. First nfl game ever and he did a pretty solid job on the best WR in the NFL. And two picks are just a bonus. Incredible first game for him. 

Garrett is a monster. He’ll win DPOY at some point with Cleveland (assuming he can stay healthy). 

Hyde ran really well and I thought Chubb did alright too. Would have liked to see TT get duke more involved in the passing game. 

The refs were dreadful. That RTP on garrett gave Pittsburgh a TD instead of a 40 yard fg attempt. Pissed me the hell off and is when I started taking shots. 

Little confused by Haley’s play calling. Wouldn’t shock me at all if some of these calls were signaled in by Hue. 

This team has the ability to win 6-8 games this year. But I question whether Hue will prevent that from happening. 

Don't disagree with anything (for once, lol) here.

When they drafted Ward over Chubb at #4, I was pissed but man he looked damn good yesterday. Even on the TD where he got beat by AB his coverage was strong....just a helluva catch.

If Garrett stays healthy, he could have a Lawrence Taylor-like impact, defensively, for this team.

Offense needs to step the Hell up and can't waste outings like this. May have been posted but since the Browns returned in 1999, teams with a +5 turnover ratio in games are 132-4-1....the Browns have two of those losses and the tie (blech).

Agreed with alot of the above. I hope Haley wasn't calling 11 passes out of the first 12 plays. I'll let Tyrod play in a dome this week, but if he holds onto the ball and can't throw past 20 yards without under throwing it, I'd be calling for Baker (I doubt they do it though).  Garret and Ward were great, roughing call was garbage. Would like to see more Duke. LT wasn't great, but for UDFA and first start, didn't look that bad.

posted by SportsAndLady

As someone who has pumped up TT, he played terrible. He played well in the 4th outside of the last min INT—which was terrible. I give him a little credit for finally taking advantage of Pittsburgh turnovers in the 4th but where the hell was that early on? He helped savage a tie and we atleast didn’t lose by 2 TDs but damn we should have won this game comfortably with how well our defense played. 

 

Couple notes..

ward is a baller. First nfl game ever and he did a pretty solid job on the best WR in the NFL. And two picks are just a bonus. Incredible first game for him. 

Garrett is a monster. He’ll win DPOY at some point with Cleveland (assuming he can stay healthy). 

Hyde ran really well and I thought Chubb did alright too. Would have liked to see TT get duke more involved in the passing game. 

The refs were dreadful. That RTP on garrett gave Pittsburgh a TD instead of a 40 yard fg attempt. Pissed me the hell off and is when I started taking shots. 

Little confused by Haley’s play calling. Wouldn’t shock me at all if some of these calls were signaled in by Hue. 

This team has the ability to win 6-8 games this year. But I question whether Hue will prevent that from happening. 

Hue is easily good for snatching away 4 of those wins. Book it.

posted by iclfan2

 Garret and Ward were great, roughing call was garbage. 

Garrett was great but it was his second penalty, the block in the back on Schobert's fumble recover & run that put them in position to win, that was the killer. If Myles could have that back I'm sure he wouldn't have done it again. That little push in the back on the defender wouldn't have helped Schobert get to the end zone. If they are lining up for a 30 yard game winner versus the 40+ yarder, might have been a different outcome. He still was dominating though.

JT on browns daily today:

• JT said the thing about Steelers knowing snap count on field goal is bs. Field goals are non verbal snap punt based on the holder’s ready
• Three guys got to Bitonio before he could set
• He has his own BL Fridge
• TT did not play well

posted by iclfan2

Agreed with alot of the above. I hope Haley wasn't calling 11 passes out of the first 12 plays. I'll let Tyrod play in a dome this week, but if he holds onto the ball and can't throw past 20 yards without under throwing it, I'd be calling for Baker (I doubt they do it though).  Garret and Ward were great, roughing call was garbage. Would like to see more Duke. LT wasn't great, but for UDFA and first start, didn't look that bad.

In watching him in Pittsburgh for a number of years  I would say yes, he was calling the 11 of the first 12 passes.

posted by Commander of Awesome

JT on browns daily today:

 

• Three guys got to Bitonio before he could set

That should be changed to "Bitonio wasn't ready and got lit up by three guys." Pittsburgh didn't jump offsides (I know, you didn't say that) but Bitonio got owned on that coupled with the fact that Gonzalez kick was low.

Kind of why I said that if they don't have to move the ball back from the 10 to the 25, due to the block in the back penalty, Gonzalez likely makes that FG. It would've been 27 yards instead of 43 and would've been kicked with a different trajectory...that's assuming Bitonio does his job on the shorter kick.