posted by j_crazy

realistically since this isn't our year, do we have anything on the horizon to look forward to?

This team is loaded. They should be best in division for the next 5 years. They just have to make the moves to get there. 

#1. Trade Bieber and a MI prospect for Major League ready power who is young and controllable. 

#2. Go 6 man rotation of Sticks/Bibee/Allen/Williams/Cal/Civale. That gives our 4 young studs experience and keeps innings down.

#3. Pick the future. All indications are Valera at RF or CF, Arias at RF or 1B and Rocchio at SS. No is obviously C. Trade Amed and anyone else not in the future plans for depth and prospects. Then play these kids all year. We have a massive logjam they need to sort out, and while it’s hard to do generally — it’s impossible by playing the guys without a future and blocking playing time.

#3. Extend the core group who you see Sticking around and are approaching arbitration. Kwan, Sticks…that’s about it. Clase maybe?? Jose and Gimenez are locked up and so is Stephan. The rest are under team control for a while.

Honestly, these moves will HELP this years team. There is no reason to think they will get worse. Front Office failed keeping Amed when he was at his highest point this summer, they need to cut bait with him now. Same with Bieber who is declining at an insane pace. Get the most for them both. Bieber should fetch a haul if you don’t wait.

Move Bieber now. All his metrics and peripherals are saying his dominance is over. He has always gotten hit hard, but some of the other numbers are alarming now.  You have got Bibee, Allen, and Williams all ready to go.

Hoping there's a front office/organization out there that will take a risk on him.

Time to get another legit power bat to go with Jose Ramirez (not a Josh Bell or Franmil Reyes). A legit 30 HR/100 RBI, .265 + batting average. I know those don't grow on tree's but trade Bieber with Rocchio or Angel Martinez and you can probably get something solid in return.

I wish Laley23 was running the team. 

A win! Yay!

Allen was awesome, and a shit line in the end. Cannot let a rookie in the 7th let 5 men reach without a mound visit.

Anyway, I’m feeling a Kwan walkoff. Or Freeman if he pinch hits for Zunino.

posted by Laley23

Anyway, I’m feeling a Kwan walkoff. Or Freeman if he pinch hits for Zunino.

LOL……..as I listen to Tito’s excuses. 

posted by BRF

LOL……..as I listen to Tito’s excuses. 

I was trying to be so positive haha

Positive note, Arias may be figuring it out and getting comfortable. His last 6 games:

And it seems that he can go back on a ball in RF and not get lost.

It seems like we start off the season every year under Tito, and he figures it out. We are in a terrible division, have a watered down playoff system, and are only 3.5 games out in spite of playing terrible baseball. I'm not throwing in the towel yet. With that said, I would like to see them try to get a bat.

With McKenzie looking like he will rejoin the team Sunday, and Civale probably not far behind - what does the rotation look like now?

Bieber

Mckenzie

Allen

Bibee

Quantrill

Civale

6 man rotation going forward? I can't see them letting Allen and Bibee go over 150 innings this year (and that is probably best case scenario).

Assuming they move Gaddis to bullpen. Is now the time to trade Bieber? Bo Naylor? Bo? Are you there?

TRADE BEIBER BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!!!

posted by Laley23

TRADE BEIBER BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!!!

His 2nd inning was terrible

posted by Laley23

TRADE BEIBER BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!!!

I’m on board with that!

He can’t get swing and misses. He always got hit hard, because he spins so much, and eventually you’re gonna hand them. But it was few and far between, and hitters were off balance so much.

Now he has no zip on the fastball, so nobody is honoring it. He’s still so precise most of the time he can be valuable. But the hard hits are way more common. The K rate has plummeted. And his swing and miss rate is non existent. 

He isn’t far off from a Kluber like end, imo. Some team will bite, but we can’t wait until the collapse happens. 

posted by Laley23

He can’t get swing and misses. He always got hit hard, because he spins so much, and eventually you’re gonna hand them. But it was few and far between, and hitters were off balance so much.

Now he has no zip on the fastball, so nobody is honoring it. He’s still so precise most of the time he can be valuable. But the hard hits are way more common. The K rate has plummeted. And his swing and miss rate is non existent. 

He isn’t far off from a Kluber like end, imo. Some team will bite, but we can’t wait until the collapse happens. 

I think the sell window has passed and you won't get nearly as much or what you think you deserve from him now. Tough spot. Not sure if you just ride him out now, or maybe try to move him for a younger bat. Just not sure what they could get from any team that would send a hitter to Cleveland that could be inserted and help right away.

You can still get plenty for him. He’s a high end starter who is controlled cheap for 1.5 years. Someone at the deadline will pay.

These dummies salvaged a split. Just enough to keep stringing me along.

What

A

Game!

That was wild. Good win to keep some momentum. Karinchak finally sent down.

Nice win!!

Bang on the trash can!!

Party at Cesar Cedeno's

Solid series win and homestand. Hopefully we can keep it going on the West Coast. Unless we are given something too good to pass up, I wouldn't trade Bieber unless we completely collapse. Even though he hasn't been the pitcher that he was the past few years, he is still one of our five best. Our division is very bad, so I would hate to see us weaken the team in hopes of future success when the division appears winnable this season.

Bieber Fever!!

Beat those trash can beating cheaters!!

Party at Craig Biggio's

posted by Al Bundy

Solid series win and homestand. Hopefully we can keep it going on the West Coast. Unless we are given something too good to pass up, I wouldn't trade Bieber unless we completely collapse. Even though he hasn't been the pitcher that he was the past few years, he is still one of our five best. Our division is very bad, so I would hate to see us weaken the team in hopes of future success when the division appears winnable this season.

I think trading him makes us better. He’s been our 4th best pitcher this year, not counting McKenzie or Williams (who would replace him), and we would add a MLB ready, power bat (corner OF) most likely — so offense improves immediately, while rotation takes at most a slight hit.

Too early to chalk Nolan Jones as the 28th dude who goes elsewhere and their hitting coach unlocks it all, or…?