Idk. I really think until the vaccine is rolling out, how does life go on. It’s good and fine that people are asymptomatic while having it, but you can’t really tell them to keep going about life normal with it. Odds are they’ll eventually give it to someone who won’t be fine. 

posted by friendfromlowry

Idk. I really think until the vaccine is rolling out, how does life go on. It’s good and fine that people are asymptomatic while having it, but you can’t really tell them to keep going about life normal with it. Odds are they’ll eventually give it to someone who won’t be fine. 

That goes back to my point about 30% of teachers being 50 or over. To me, that is one of the main issues with reopening, along with having enough substitutes for when teachers get sick.

Toledo Public does not think so.  Society waiting on this vaccine that will have no side effects whatsoever to reduce the risk from that 99.96% recovery rate.  Can't have the .04% non-recoverable, push the vaccine now, someone needs to make money off of this

Funny that teachers don’t think they need to be online 40 hours a week. So what are you getting paid for? 

posted by friendfromlowry

Idk. I really think until the vaccine is rolling out, how does life go on. It’s good and fine that people are asymptomatic while having it, but you can’t really tell them to keep going about life normal with it. Odds are they’ll eventually give it to someone who won’t be fine. 

At some point, we are going to have to accept the risks to society of COVID - much like we do many other things.  No one wants anyone to die.  But the human condition is such that there are going to be things that come along and get some of us.  But we collectively weigh the cost / benefit of avoiding said risk.  In the case of COVID, the costs of keeping kids out of school is going to cost our society immesurably for years to come.  Online learning is not even close to an adequate substitute - even when carried out flawlessly (which it is not).  We are punishing our children by not only retarding their educational progress,  but by showing them the example of not fighting through something that is challenging, yes, but not something we can work through collectively.

I really hope that all these schools closing cause the teachers unions to lose power.  There are plenty of us back doing our jobs and working closely around others.  You know what?  That's life - that's part of providing for others.  Are there risks in that?  Sure.  Specifically from COVID they are very, very small.  Life ain't risk free though.  No one is asking teachers to make any greater a sacrifice than many, many other professions have been making these months. 

posted by iclfan2

Funny that teachers don’t think they need to be online 40 hours a week. So what are you getting paid for? 

This doesn’t even make sense. Unless you actually believe you work all 8 hours in your day. 

But regardless, the do not need to be online to make lesson plans, grade papers and have meetings/conferences.

posted by iclfan2

Funny that teachers don’t think they need to be online 40 hours a week. So what are you getting paid for? 

Few work 8 hour days ever

posted by Ironman92

Few work 8 hour days ever

I think the point is they'd be in a classroom 6-7 hours a day, normally.  And, IMO, if not giving a lecture should be available and responding to emails for that time period.

Could be a glimpse of the future.  Kids go to school twice a week for socialization, and then learn from a computer program the rest of the week that runs circles around every teacher out there. 

Better education at 1/3 of the cost?  Hell yes, sign me up!

posted by gut

I think the point is they'd be in a classroom 6-7 hours a day, normally.  And, IMO, if not giving a lecture should be available and responding to emails for that time period.

Could be a glimpse of the future.  Kids go to school twice a week for socialization, and then learn from a computer program the rest of the week that runs circles around every teacher out there. 

Better education at 1/3 of the cost?  Hell yes, sign me up!

I could see one day a week with a computer but not 3, 

posted by Laley23

This doesn’t even make sense. Unless you actually believe you work all 8 hours in your day. 

But regardless, the do not need to be online to make lesson plans, grade papers and have meetings/conferences.

I wasn’t clear, but essentially the kids need teachers in front of them for the majority of the day. You can’t expect parents to teach them when it’s your job. From an article about Chi teachers: “ And, McDade said, the district will establish clear expectations for teacher participation in virtual learning. She told the board that about 80% of high school teachers logged on to the district’s Google digital learning platform at least three days a week last spring, and 55% of elementary teachers did — numbers the district would like to see increase.”. 

55% of elementary only logged on 3 days a week??? What a gig.

posted by iclfan2

55% of elementary only logged on 3 days a week??? What a gig.

posted by Spock

I could see one day a week with a computer but not 3, 

This is 0.001% insightful.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

At some point, we are going to have to accept the risks to society of COVID - much like we do many other things.  No one wants anyone to die.  But the human condition is such that there are going to be things that come along and get some of us.  But we collectively weigh the cost / benefit of avoiding said risk.  In the case of COVID, the costs of keeping kids out of school is going to cost our society immesurably for years to come.  Online learning is not even close to an adequate substitute - even when carried out flawlessly (which it is not).  We are punishing our children by not only retarding their educational progress,  but by showing them the example of not fighting through something that is challenging, yes, but not something we can work through collectively.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/08/13/florida-teachers-writing-wills-obituaries-school-reopening-coronavirus/3362679001/

I'm thankful from the bottom of my heart that these are not my child's teachers.  These are teachers who are "writing their wills" before classes resume and "writing their obituaries" and posting them on FB, also "inviting" leaders who they think have wronged them to their inevitable funerals.

So many teachers are awesome.  But these give the profession such a stain.  Guess what, you ain't he only one being asked to go to work.  Be fucking thankful you still have a job.  If you are obese or diabetic or have some other conditions, make arrangements as I'm sure your district will allow in this climate.  If you don't want to go to work, find another profession.  Your unions have punished children enough.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

  If you are obese or diabetic or have some other conditions, make arrangements as I'm sure your district will allow in this climate.  

posted by Verbal Kint
Yet, McDonalds is still open to supersize the value meal with Mountain Dew 

Wait.......McDonalds sells Mountain Dew?

posted by gut

I think the point is they'd be in a classroom 6-7 hours a day, normally.  And, IMO, if not giving a lecture should be available and responding to emails for that time period.

Could be a glimpse of the future.  Kids go to school twice a week for socialization, and then learn from a computer program the rest of the week that runs circles around every teacher out there. 

Better education at 1/3 of the cost?  Hell yes, sign me up!

Not sure of how things are where you are or where you grew up but man a mess of kids would be getting greatly short changed here in southern Ohio.

posted by Spock

Wait.......McDonalds sells Mountain Dew?

Yeah McDonalds is notorious for their coke with bigger straws 

posted by Ironman92

Not sure of how things are where you are or where you grew up but man a mess of kids would be getting greatly short changed here in southern Ohio.

If a teacher had 30 kids, you could probably give each chromebooks for $600.  That's $18k.  You could probably even do it without internet as there are courses on CD's.

So, yeah, there could be substantial savings for better education.  The US spends more per student on primary and secondary education than almost every country in the world, by good margin in most cases.  And we get a pretty lousy return on that investment.

posted by Verbal Kint
Don't we need an unproven vaccine that makes some software billionaire even more rich to protect the .04% ( or .0004 for those who don't understand percentages) that do not recover because they have underlying conditions?   I'm sure the mental health of all of our youth is just fine because of this 

So you think a guy who has given away  $50 billion is worried about getting even more rich? Got it lol 

posted by kizer permanente

So you think a guy who has given away  $50 billion is worried about getting even more rich? Got it lol 

You’ll have to excuse Kint, he is a moron  

posted by SportsAndLady

You’ll have to excuse Kint, he is a moron  

Welp, I was just called a moron by the biggest douche on the site, what an honor