Issue 1 - Yes or No

Fletch

Member

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 5:15 PM

I voted yes.  Merely because I don’t want to see a ping pong game every few years in Columbus.  Politicians will be better people if they have to reach across the isle

MontyBrunswick

Senior Member

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 5:25 PM
posted by Fletch

I voted yes.  Merely because I don’t want to see a ping pong game every few years in Columbus.

Yeah, the outcome of this vote will surely stop that behavior. 



ts1227

Senior Member

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 7:58 PM

Unsurprisingly, it’s getting smoked in early vote counts by about a 70/30 margin.  Saying they’ve counted a half million votes, which is damn impressive turnout.

We shall see how much it comes back as the day of counts start in.

MontyBrunswick

Senior Member

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 8:17 PM
posted by ts1227

We shall see how much it comes back as the day of counts start in.

dispatch called it as a "no" but dispatch is trash so they could very well be wrong.

ts1227

Senior Member

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 8:30 PM
posted by MontyBrunswick

dispatch called it as a "no" but dispatch is trash so they could very well be wrong.

The gap has barely budged so far with another 300k votes counted (68/32), it would take a miracle to flip it.


MontyBrunswick

Senior Member

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 8:42 PM
posted by ts1227

The gap has barely budged so far with another 300k votes counted (68/32), it would take a miracle to flip it.


indeed. i think some of the big boy counties haven't reported *any* election day ballots yet. i suspect it'll get ugly once those start coming in.

ts1227

Senior Member

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 8:47 PM
posted by MontyBrunswick

indeed. i think some of the big boy counties haven't reported *any* election day ballots yet. i suspect it'll get ugly once those start coming in.

Summit County (Akron) hasn’t posted an Election Day vote yet.


It seems the basis on calling it was deep red counties coming in with most of their votes way more “purple” than usual. Plus, some of those counties are almost done counting since they’re so small. 


MontyBrunswick

Senior Member

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 8:55 PM

wapo and the NY post also just called it

Ironman92

Administrator

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 9:01 PM

It’s over…we are republican crazy down here at it passed easily

gut

Senior Member

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 9:07 PM
posted by Automatik

Assuming if this passes it will be harder for recreational marijuana to go through.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/08/early-results-have-started-rolling-in-for-ohio-state-issue-1.html

"It would not affect a recreational marijuana proposal that is being pursued for the November ballot because that plan seeks to change state law, not the state constitution."


I don't understand the difference between an initiated statute and initiated amendment.  Seems either could be over turned by a subsequent ballot that would only need 50% to pass.

MontyBrunswick

Senior Member

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 9:24 PM
posted by gut

I don't understand the difference between an initiated statute and initiated amendment.  Seems either could be over turned by a subsequent ballot that would only need 50% to pass.


per this article:

In Ohio, citizens have two options for proposing changes through a ballot initiative. They can offer a statute or a constitutional amendment. Generally speaking, organizers prefer amendments, because Ohio law offers no protection for a newly passed statute. Lawmakers can immediately repeal or modify whatever changes voters approve.




Ironman92

Administrator

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 10:14 PM

I’m seeing an updated map with it passing


NM…read it wrong lol


My county was a yes but we were like 76% Trump

gut

Senior Member

Tue, Aug 8, 2023 10:21 PM
posted by MontyBrunswick

per this article:.

I'll be damned.  I asked a question I couldn't find quickly with google, and someone answered it perfectly and with no snark.

ts1227

Senior Member

Wed, Aug 9, 2023 7:19 AM
posted by gut

I'll be damned.  I asked a question I couldn't find quickly with google, and someone answered it perfectly and with no snark.

This whole thread was probably the most civil political one in the history of the place, for once no one really got shitty and talked through both sides like normal people. 


Ironman92

Administrator

Wed, Aug 9, 2023 9:50 AM

Looks like my county voted 60.02% yes…..way down from the Trump numbers but this was a bit different.

ts1227

Senior Member

Wed, Aug 9, 2023 10:24 AM
posted by Ironman92

Looks like my county voted 60.02% yes…..way down from the Trump numbers but this was a bit different.

Everyone skewed a little more that way it seems - basically all moderates went to the no side. A handful of NE Ohio counties that went Trump in 2020 voted this down to the tune of 55-60% (Portage, Mahoning, Trumbull) - even where I’m at in reliably blue Summit County voted 54% Biden in 2020 but 66% no on this.


Heretic

Son of the Sun

Wed, Aug 9, 2023 11:18 AM
posted by ts1227

Everyone skewed a little more that way it seems - basically all moderates went to the no side. A handful of NE Ohio counties that went Trump in 2020 voted this down to the tune of 55-60% (Portage, Mahoning, Trumbull) - even where I’m at in reliably blue Summit County voted 54% Biden in 2020 but 66% no on this.


That's what I was seeing. A lot of usually red counties going against this and definitely red counties passing it by far less of a margin than they would vote a red candidate over a blue one.

j_crazy

7 gram rocks. how i roll.

Wed, Aug 9, 2023 11:37 AM
posted by jmog

It was after the last Bush. Bill Clinton and the 2 Bush's were ideologically different, but not THAT different. 


At the start of his first campaign Obama/Biden weren't that different than Rs as well. But over that 8 years and the 6/7 years since good Lord its like "lets see which side can further away from center next". 


Currently the Ds are winning that "battle" but the Rs, many of them anyway, are not that far behind.


Look at Robert F Kennedy, Ramaswamy, Tulsi Gabbard, etc. All 3 rather centrist, yet all 3 have (had in 2020 in Tulsi's case) no shot in the primaries because of the whackadoos voting in the primaries.


If I had to rank right now in order of who I would vote for (current candidates) in the general they would go...


1. Ramaswamy

2. Haley/Scott/Kennedy (2 Rs, 1 D all fairly close for me on how 'normal' they are).

3. DeSantis





Then WAY down the road here...


4. Trump (would take ANY R over him, but I am ignoring the other almost 10 candidates as they have no shot)



Then WAY down the road more.....


5. Biden (mainly because the man should be in a nursing home not  the WH).

SImilar thoughts here. I would vote put Tim Scott at 2, Kennedy at 3, then a mile before Nikki Haley, another mile to Doug Burgum,10 miles to Trump, 50 miles to Cornel West, 100 miles to Desantis and Williamson, then the rest on another planet.

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Thu, Aug 10, 2023 10:31 PM

Am I the only one who will be writing in Spike Cohen?

hahaha