Figured this deserves its own thread.    I am not a conspiracy theorist, but we are all calling bullshit on this right?  Mother fucker was in maximum security, tried to kill himself once before, placed on suicide watch, taken off of it, and then he kills himself...

First question for me is why the fuck was he taken off suicide watch?   At least wait until that POS rats everyone out, then let him kill himself. 

Take away the political aspect, and we're most likely left with "POS molester kills himself, let's celebrate" and "Good F'n riddance, look how much money he'said saved the taxpayer". Stuff like that, and I'm A-OK with all of it.

Those in the know already know why he was taken off of the suicide watch, the rest of us will soon.

Positive thoughts to the victims, negs toward the molester/s.

I just hope the names of the rich and powerful men who used his "services" didn't die with him. If the hammer is still able to fall on them I don't really care that this shitbag is dead. That said, a long miserable life in a jail cell would've been a better punishment for him.

My first question was also why was he taken off suicide watch?

posted by BRF

My first question was also why was he taken off suicide watch?

This.

He was supposed to be on watch every 30 minutes now? That's a joke. 

Not sure we'll ever truly know the "truth." But, this may be on my list of "what I'd love to know the truth about..." stories.

Posted this is the poli-meme thread but it's appropriate here, too.

posted by OSH

This.

He was supposed to be on watch every 30 minutes now? That's a joke.

You don't permanently go on suicide watch.  There's a process, which I believe includes psych eval, to be taken off.  I'm sure part of the investigation will be whether the process was properly followed.

posted by gut

You don't permanently go on suicide watch.  There's a process, which I believe includes psych eval, to be taken off.  I'm sure part of the investigation will be whether the process was properly followed.

So the highest case kid trafficking ring of all time, and they should follow normal procedures? Same as joe schmo morons? This is the sketchiest death of all time. He should have been treated way different than normal clowns. 

posted by iclfan2

So the highest case kid trafficking ring of all time, and they should follow normal procedures? Same as joe schmo morons? This is the sketchiest death of all time. He should have been treated way different than normal clowns. 

This.  Guards leave....security cameras off.....gtfoh.   guy was taken out before he gave up the big fish.  

posted by iclfan2

So the highest case kid trafficking ring of all time, and they should follow normal procedures? Same as joe schmo morons? This is the sketchiest death of all time. He should have been treated way different than normal clowns. 

Number 1, he wasn't convicted he was awaiting trial.  And number 2 it's not at all surprising to me that a weak old pedophile took the easy way out.

The idea his death is sketchy involves a logical fallacy that he survived one arrest and conviction already, while roaming free and healthy for years after.  Point being, if there was any grand conspiracy here then why wasn't he already dead years ago?

posted by gut

Number 1, he wasn't convicted he was awaiting trial.  And number 2 it's not at all surprising to me that a weak old pedophile took the easy way out.

The idea his death is sketchy involves a logical fallacy that he survived one arrest and conviction already, while roaming free and healthy for years after.  Point being, if there was any grand conspiracy here then why wasn't he already dead years ago?

He wasn't dead because the major players he had dirt on know better then to murder someone when all they have to do is threaten to kill him and his family.  You keep your mouth shut.  

posted by Spock

He wasn't dead because the major players he had dirt on know better then to murder someone when all they have to do is threaten to kill him and his family.  You keep your mouth shut.  

That's another logical fallacy.  If it were true, then he wouldn't be dead now, either.

And so what was the first attempt - a botched hit, you say?  What kind of amateurs are these rich and powerful people running with, anyway?

posted by gut

Number 1, he wasn't convicted he was awaiting trial.  And number 2 it's not at all surprising to me that a weak old pedophile took the easy way out.

The idea his death is sketchy involves a logical fallacy that he survived one arrest and conviction already, while roaming free and healthy for years after.  Point being, if there was any grand conspiracy here then why wasn't he already dead years ago?

Which is exactly why you don't take him off of suicide watch...

posted by like_that

Which is exactly why you don't take him off of suicide watch...

Exactly

posted by gut

You don't permanently go on suicide watch.  There's a process, which I believe includes psych eval, to be taken off.  I'm sure part of the investigation will be whether the process was properly followed.

He was supposed to be watched every 30 minutes. Guess what happened? They failed to watch him every 30 minutes. Just adds to all the theories.

Regardless of how he died, there are a lot of heavy hitters breathing a sigh of relief.  

What this episode really shows is that those in the top clique are really one-in-the-same.  Democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, east coast, west coast - these people always run in the same circles.  Clinton and Trump both knew this guy.  Bubba had his own seat on the Lolita Express and Trump's exclusive club in Palm Beach was a source of some of the teenage girls.  Hell, Trump knew the guy well enough to comment on his taste for the young ones.  

Just an example of how we all allow ourselves to be manipulated by these "leaders" into thinking they have our best interests in mind.  Trump and Clinton are cut from the same cloth.  

Now, it turns out that he was supposed to have a cellmate. That cellmate was "mysteriously" transferred with no given reason.

Wasn't checked on for "hours" when it was supposed to be every 30 minutes. No cellmate when there was initially one. All too strange of a coincidence. 

I can hear Vince Foster saying “how convenient”.

posted by OSH

Now, it turns out that he was supposed to have a cellmate. That cellmate was "mysteriously" transferred with no given reason.

Wasn't checked on for "hours" when it was supposed to be every 30 minutes. No cellmate when there was initially one. All too strange of a coincidence. 

plus no hallway video.......there is no chance that he did this on his own.  To much evidence that it was a hit

posted by QuakerOats

 

I can hear Vince Foster saying “how convenient”.

Don't forget about your pal

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-12/7-unanswered-questions-about-epsteins-death-mainstream-media-not-talking-about

I've been seeing people on Twitter (yeah, I know) saying that Trump kicked Epstein out of one of his places years ago. Has that actually been verified?

Just googled.

I found this: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/labor-secretary-acosta-out/h_2d721675c816ccb7d6dd65bc27996ca7
 

President Trump confirmed reports that he threw Jeffrey Epstein out of his Mar-a-Lago club years ago, adding, "I was not a fan of Jeffrey Epstein."

I'm not buying this because... what's with the pics of him smiling when they're standing with one arm around the other?  And why invite him to Mar a Lago to begin with?

posted by CenterBHSFan

I've been seeing people on Twitter (yeah, I know) saying that Trump kicked Epstein out of one of his places years ago. Has that actually been verified?

I think Trump said that, so I'm sure it's 100% true.

Not sure if you saw it, but it's up there with one of the all-time creepy comments:

Trump told New York magazine in 2002 that Mr. Epstein was a “terrific guy” whom he had known for 15 years.  “He’s a lot of fun to be with,” Trump said. “It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

posted by CenterBHSFan

Just googled.

I found this: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/labor-secretary-acosta-out/h_2d721675c816ccb7d6dd65bc27996ca7
 

I'm not buying this because... what's with the pics of him smiling when they're standing with one arm around the other?  And why invite him to Mar a Lago to begin with?

While knowing the dude and having a friendly "rich dude" relationship with him don't indicate any wrong-doing on Trump's part, did you think there was even a .000001% chance of him describing his relationship with him in any way other than the most self-serving way possible? That's just how he is. They could have just been two rich dudes who hung out in similar social circles, were friendly acquaintances and Trump just knew he liked younger chicks but had no clue it was pedo-young because they weren't really that close and he'd be acting like he never liked him and didn't want to be around him at all...regardless of what he was saying about him back in the day while posing for pics with him. He just operates on the principle of "Only believe what I'm saying RIGHT NOW and ignore anything that may contradict that, even if it was something I said previously!!!"

posted by CenterBHSFan

Just googled.

I found this: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/labor-secretary-acosta-out/h_2d721675c816ccb7d6dd65bc27996ca7
 

I'm not buying this because... what's with the pics of him smiling when they're standing with one arm around the other?  And why invite him to Mar a Lago to begin with?

Food for thought:

Be aware of a common leftist tactic to plant fake stories to create false equivalencies and destroy the credibility of true stories. For example, the long history of mysterious deaths surrounding the Clinton’s is well-known and documented. But littered through these stories are a few fake, easily-disproven death rumors. So, when someone mention the Clinton associate death history, Democrats only need point out a few of the fake stories, which destroys the credibility of the whole storyline. Also, a ton of obviously fake stories have been planted about mysterious deaths surrounding Donald Trump. So, when prominent Democratic donor & Clinton friend, Jeffrey Epstein, dies in perhaps the most obvious fake suicide in American history, Twitter had both trending #ClintonBodyCount and #TrumpBodyCount tweets. The neutral observer hears about both and concludes all are fake news conspiracy theories. Anyone paying attention knows Epstein was an uber-liberal connected to many powerful Democrats, with Bill Clinton visiting his “Lolita Island” 26 times. The Clinton’s, above anyone else, have the history and motive to have him killed. Yet, the media largely have ignored these connections and instead played up a couple harmless 20-30 year old pictures and Trump quotes with Epstein. It is hilarious to watch the media express outrage at the “conspiracy theories” about Epstein’s murder backed by “no evidence” after 3 years of Trump-Russia stories received 24-7 coverage despite any evidence.