posted by geeblock

No anything is not on the table and again what about people in her situation. 

LOL.....so how are rose colored glasses?  The House member from Virginia when asked if you can abort a baby when the mother was dialated said "yes, this bill would allow that"

As for racist gov.  said as a physician...."You can keep the baby comforted while deciding to kill it"

Someone on Twitter said: "We'll keep the governor comfortable while we decide what to do with his career." I thought that was funny.  

posted by Spock

 

LOL.....so how are rose colored glasses?  The House member from Virginia when asked if you can abort a baby when the mother was dialated said "yes, this bill would allow that"

As for racist gov.  said as a physician...."You can keep the baby comforted while deciding to kill it"

Are you really contending that doctors would kill healthy babies after they were born? Or during birth? Did you not read my example I posted of situations where this might happen? Or can u only make strawman arguments that fit political agendas. There are real people behind legislation like this. 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158135288324838&id=781629837

posted by geeblock

Are you really contending that doctors would kill healthy babies after they were born? Or during birth? Did you not read my example I posted of situations where this might happen? Or can u only make strawman arguments that fit political agendas. There are real people behind legislation like this. 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158135288324838&id=781629837

Will someone enlighten Geeblock that he is dead wrong.  Virginia and New York are passing legislation that would allow for an abortion up to 40 weeks.  That is essentially murder.

posted by Spock

Will someone enlighten Geeblock that he is dead wrong.  Virginia and New York are passing legislation that would allow for an abortion up to 40 weeks.  That is essentially murder.

Doom and gloom nothing is going to change. People that want abortions are going to get them way before 40 weeks and people who have extreme medical conditions will be able to consult with the doctor to make the best choice. Talk about fake outrage news. 

Side note the same people who want these deformed babies to live also don’t want them to have health care or public assistance #irony

as far as the governor he should be asked to moonwalk to prove his story 

posted by geeblock

Side note the same people who want these deformed babies to live also don’t want them to have health care or public assistance #irony

 

as far as the governor he should be asked to moonwalk to prove his story 

I'm pretty sure most of us want everyone to have health care, which in fact everyone does. This is somehow confused with health insurance, which most of want everyone to have by paying for it.

posted by SpocThe dems will make him resign.....if they dont, every person running against a Dem will play that card against them

and then the people will decide.

A costume.

35 years ago.

Idiocy for him to have to resign.

posted by geeblock

I can’t believe this is the hill you want to die on. I don’t know if he’s a racist or not but he can’t be the governor and represent a whole state of people. If he wants to open a private practice then people can decide if they want to go to him for treatment. It’s really very simple. If people don’t want to be treated by him they will choose another doctor 🤷‍♂️

By your same argument then people will make their voices be known by their choices on whom to vote for the next time he is up for election.   If it is good enough for your example, then it should be good enough for this as well.

What? Think people will forget about it and move on by then?   Likely, because..its not a big deal.  Cooler heads should prevail and people realize it was a fucking costume 35 years ago.

There isnt a reason why he should resign today for a costume he wore in college 35 years ago.  That is just plain idiotic.   

posted by thavoice

By your same argument then people will make their voices be known by their choices on whom to vote for the next time he is up for election.   If it is good enough for your example, then it should be good enough for this as well.

What? Think people will forget about it and move on by then?   Likely, because..its not a big deal.  Cooler heads should prevail and people realize it was a fucking costume 35 years ago.

There isnt a reason why he should resign today for a costume he wore in college 35 years ago.  That is just plain idiotic.   

Just so I can gain some perspective on who I am discussing this topic, is there a person if any that we both could agree is racist? Besides the 50 black people u are thinking of could you pick a white one just for the sake of the discussion. If there are none that is fine as well. 

posted by geeblock

Just so I can gain some perspective on who I am discussing this topic, is there a person if any that we both could agree is racist? Besides the 50 black people u are thinking of could you pick a white one just for the sake of the discussion. If there are none that is fine as well. 

My mother in law and a few of their family friends....extremely racists. I dont know any public people well enough to be able to judge if they are racists are not.   

As far as black people whom I think are racists? Um, I know one and again, you wouldn't know him. 

posted by thavoice

My mother in law and a few of their family friends....extremely racists. I dont know any public people well enough to be able to judge if they are racists are not.   

As far as black people whom I think are racists? Um, I know one and again, you wouldn't know him. 

 

 

Has to be a public person. You got no one?

posted by geeblock

Has to be a public person. You got no one?

Dont know any public figures well enough to know if they are racists are not.  

With that said, wearing a costume 35 years ago isnt a huge deal and this, nor any person, should be forces to resign over it. 

Let the people decide when he is up for re election.

Just giving you a hard time I wasn’t thinking of like celebrities, but let’s say a person like David duke. We can agree he is a racist correct?

How racist is racist enough to be labeled "racist?"

If we dig down to a level of minutia, we'll all have some level of racism.

posted by O-Trap

How racist is racist enough to be labeled "racist?"

If we dig down to a level of minutia, we'll all have some level of racism.

I think we all have some sort of prejudice, ie things we prefer, but I don’t think we all have some sort of racism. For me if you are racist you believe that one person is better than another because of the color of their skin. 

posted by O-Trap

How racist is racist enough to be labeled "racist?"

If we dig down to a level of minutia, we'll all have some level of racism.

I'm racist against spiders. I wish they would all die or jump off the planet.

Outside of joking, I do think that people have some natural prejudices and many learned/taught/conditioned. A good example is how a good amount of politicians are now all about class warfare. They might be pandering but I'm pretty sure they've got real issues with billionaires. That has nothing to do with racism, IMO.

Racism does happen, for sure. But I think with every new generation people care less and less. Especially young people. I get the idea that they're much more worried about paying off student loans than they are about the color of somebody's skin or their religion or their sexuality. 

The standards in this country have been set for along time.  KKK hoods and black face are resignation territory.  I guess some think that its time to move the goal posts.

posted by geeblock

I think we all have some sort of prejudice, ie things we prefer, but I don’t think we all have some sort of racism. For me if you are racist you believe that one person is better than another because of the color of their skin. 

I'd be willing to wager that if we dug deep enough into all our subconsciousness, we'd all have defaults and assumptions that we'd base on skin tone or racial background.  I'd argue that those things are racist as well.

An overt example might be that a black person is assumed to like watermelon, a Welsh person is assumed to fuck sheep, or an Asian person is assumed to be good at math.  None of these intrinsically make one better than another, but they're still racist.

Now, these are obvious examples of course, but I'd be willing to bet that we react to certain races differently in certain situations, even on a subconscious level, which would effectively make us all guilty of this brand of racism, even if only to a smaller degree.

But that's where my previous question comes in.  How much of this is enough to call a person racist?  Where's that line?

posted by O-Trap

I'd be willing to wager that if we dug deep enough into all our subconsciousness, we'd all have defaults and assumptions that we'd base on skin tone or racial background.  I'd argue that those things are racist as well.

An overt example might be that a black person is assumed to like watermelon, a Welsh person is assumed to fuck sheep, or an Asian person is assumed to be good at math.  None of these intrinsically make one better than another, but they're still racist.

Now, these are obvious examples of course, but I'd be willing to bet that we react to certain races differently in certain situations, even on a subconscious level, which would effectively make us all guilty of this brand of racism, even if only to a smaller degree.

But that's where my previous question comes in.  How much of this is enough to call a person racist?  Where's that line?

 

I disagree. I would call that some sort of preconceived notions, not racism. I don't consider those to be quite the same thing. One is basically an "old wives tale" and the other is based on what you look like or your birth.

posted by geeblock

I think we all have some sort of prejudice, ie things we prefer, but I don’t think we all have some sort of racism. For me if you are racist you believe that one person is better than another because of the color of their skin. 

Therein lies a significant percentage of the problem. "Racism" is arguably the most misused term as of today...probably 90% of the time it's actually prejudice. 

posted by fish82

Therein lies a significant percentage of the problem. "Racism" is arguably the most misused term as of today...probably 90% of the time it's actually prejudice. 

I'm not sure what the technical definitions are, and I'm not sure many people could tell you anymore.  But it seems that words now mean whatever people feel that they mean.  It's how people push an agenda, imagining context to imply something that wasn't said.  "Dog whistle" is the best - and it's often correct - but it takes that to another level where you should be offended by something innocent sounding, because you don't understand the coded language (thank god for the talking heads to break all that down for us!).

Anyway, there's not a lot of logic or science behind many of the left/liberal positions, and the go-to is to squash debate by labeling counter-arguments as racist.

posted by O-Trap

I'd be willing to wager that if we dug deep enough into all our subconsciousness, we'd all have defaults and assumptions that we'd base on skin tone or racial background.  I'd argue that those things are racist as well.

An overt example might be that a black person is assumed to like watermelon, a Welsh person is assumed to fuck sheep, or an Asian person is assumed to be good at math.  None of these intrinsically make one better than another, but they're still racist.

Now, these are obvious examples of course, but I'd be willing to bet that we react to certain races differently in certain situations, even on a subconscious level, which would effectively make us all guilty of this brand of racism, even if only to a smaller degree.

But that's where my previous question comes in.  How much of this is enough to call a person racist?  Where's that line?

 

You mean stereotypes.  Yes they are rooted in reality.  Is some of that reality racist or bigoted or ignorant in its conception......maybr so.  But in the end they are mostly just a way to highlight the reality of people.  

The Washington post spent millions for a dumbass super bowl commercial. Fuckin firefighters 

posted by iclfan2

The Washington post spent millions for a dumbass super bowl commercial. Fuckin firefighters 

Thought it was pretty solid.   As it went the whole group we watched it with got quieter and quieter.  Liked how they also included those that most people dont think of who are sacrificing themselves like the foreign news media.