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SportsAndLady

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Fri, Jan 25, 2019 12:07 PM

McConnell is terrible 

iclfan2

Reppin' the 330/216/843

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 12:31 PM
posted by gut

They screwed up.  They lost the high ground the moment they failed to send their own bill to the House. 

Eventually, TSA is going to walk-off the job en masse....and then there will be holy hell to pay.  How long would you continue to go into work without getting paid?  Yes, they will ultimately receive back pay, however if Washington isn't moving then the only option you have to exercise is to shut the country down and FORCE Washington to act.

That would probably end it in 1 day. IRS had 14,000 agents not show up today. Or at least pass a bill to pay the people. 

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 1:53 PM
posted by gut

Ummm, spending & appropriation is the responsibility of Congress, not the POTUS.  I really don't see how Trump has any justification for shutting down the govt because he doesn't like the budget passed by Congress.

Also harder to pin this on Democrats.  The Republicans couldn't get their shit together to pass a bill to send to the House.  Pelosi, meanwhile, pushed thru two bills to send to the Senate. 

So you and Trump's grand masterplan to point fingers at Dems for not passing the bill sent by the Senate....kind of turned the tables on ya.

 

 

My post had little, if anything, to do with the shutdown.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 1:53 PM
posted by iclfan2

That would probably end it in 1 day. IRS had 14,000 agents not show up today. Or at least pass a bill to pay the people. 

 

That is a great day for The People.

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 2:00 PM
posted by QuakerOats

 

The actions and rhetoric of the dem leaders and their freshmen class are tantamount to overturning our basic foundations.  Add to that the radical left dominating media, academia, and the administrative state; how much longer before we fall from within, particularly given the economic and historical ignorance of the millennial set?

Every generation believes it is living at some historical tipping point.  

 

You sound a lot like Pat Buchanan. He’s been suggesting impending doom for 30 years.  Somehow though things have held on for him to continue to publish his columns. 

 

Nice to see we can add millennials to the list of people you hold in low regard. 

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 2:57 PM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Every generation believes it is living at some historical tipping point.  

 

You sound a lot like Pat Buchanan. He’s been suggesting impending doom for 30 years.  Somehow though things have held on for him to continue to publish his columns. 

 

Nice to see we can add millennials to the list of people you hold in low regard. 

I am a millenial and a lot of the critcism is well deserved. 

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 3:34 PM
posted by like_that

I am a millenial and a lot of the critcism is well deserved. 

Every generation has its good and bad. QO sounds like some bitter old retiree perpetually bitching about how the young kids are ruining everything. 

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 3:54 PM

 

Maybe it is young kids ruined by the breakdown of the family structure and radical Marxist college professors.  Maybe the young kids never stood a chance.

 

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 4:00 PM
posted by QuakerOats

 

Maybe it is young kids ruined by the breakdown of the family structure and radical Marxist college professors.  Maybe the young kids never stood a chance.

 

I think there is some truth to part of this. Think how many people with college degrees make coffee at Starbucks.

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 4:14 PM
posted by CenterBHSFan

I think there is some truth to part of this. Think how many people with college degrees make coffee at Starbucks.

 

Family breakdowns might be a part of the cause, but I grew up on the notion (indoctrination) that being successful was nearly impossible without a 4-year degree. This has led us to Lesbian Dance Theory majors suing colleges for being unemployable, and high paid trade jobs going unfilled.

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 4:48 PM
posted by queencitybuckeye

 

Family breakdowns might be a part of the cause, but I grew up on the notion (indoctrination) that being successful was nearly impossible without a 4-year degree. This has led us to Lesbian Dance Theory majors suing colleges for being unemployable, and high paid trade jobs going unfilled.

"So the graduations hang on the wall, but they never really helped us at all."

gut

Senior Member

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 4:50 PM
posted by queencitybuckeye

Family breakdowns might be a part of the cause, but I grew up on the notion (indoctrination) that being successful was nearly impossible without a 4-year degree. This has led us to Lesbian Dance Theory majors suing colleges for being unemployable, and high paid trade jobs going unfilled.

Not enough professional jobs to go around.  If the jobs are going to the same 30% of smartest kids, 31% on down are just wasting money on a degree.

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 5:11 PM
posted by gut

Not enough professional jobs to go around.  If the jobs are going to the same 30% of smartest kids, 31% on down are just wasting money on a degree.

I assume by professional you mean "white collar" jobs.  This is correct and I think the pendulum is shifting back.  I've read college enrollment numbers have been dropping and there are more from gen z looking into trade jobs vs college.  Still, it is going to take some time.  My wife's father owns a pretty successful HVAC company that does commercial buildings in NYC and he struggles to find people.

Does anyone else envision at some point many career fields will just accept a certification(s) in lieu of a degree for  "professional" jobs?  I.e. you skip college, still study a field, pass a test to get certified and then you have your job.  With the access kids have to knowledge in this day and age I can see it happening.  Especially, if tuition costs keep rising. 

gut

Senior Member

Fri, Jan 25, 2019 6:05 PM
posted by like_that

Does anyone else envision at some point many career fields will just accept a certification(s) in lieu of a degree for  "professional" jobs?  I.e. you skip college, still study a field, pass a test to get certified and then you have your job. 

Not sure.  A college degree became an easy way for employers to screen that

1) you had the smarts and the work ethic to get a degree

2) you had the confidence in yourself to invest in pursuing a degree

 

Why would that go away, plus the maturity that comes along with it?  Certainly a 2-yr degree from a decent online program would qualify you, but employers aren't real big on those, are they?  And the reason is the top half or top quartile go to 4-yr programs.

I don't see it changing so long as lazy, risk averse HR folks do the recruiting....and lazy, incompetent managers are doing the hiring.  They don't want to train & develop people, so they look for smart people with a foundation from college who can learn on the job.

 

Even the MBA is getting watered down.  If employers are going to hire 10,000 MBA's from the top-25 programs, that's not going to leave a lot of good paying management jobs for the hordes of people at other programs.  If you're at a Fortune 500, a 2nd or 3rd tier MBA isn't going to do much for you.  And if you're at a much smaller middle market company, an MBA isn't probably worth a whole lot, period.

 

It's a numbers game.  Everyone can buy a lottery ticket - everyone can play - but not everyone wins.

Spock

Senior Member

Sun, Jan 27, 2019 11:23 AM

2 year online degrees are a joke

Spock

Senior Member

Sun, Jan 27, 2019 8:57 PM

Screne Actors Guild tonight.....love the use of all the gender specific pronouns.  Where is the outcry?

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Wed, Jan 30, 2019 5:33 AM
posted by iclfan2

Peak wokeness, author of this article didn’t like a picture of coal miners in a bar bc it offended him like blackface even though he knows it isn’t blackface.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2019/01/28/downtown-phoenix-photo-men-soot-blackface/2683881002/

So I read the article. I read "Coddling of the American Mind" not long ago and it explains much of this current culture. But I guess I still don't understand why so many people see something and it speaks to them directly. They take everything like it is aimed at them personally. It's like mass hysteria mixed with paranoia with a healthy dose of vanity. I am starting to view this mindset as a mental health disorder. I can't help it.

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

Wed, Jan 30, 2019 7:53 AM
posted by iclfan2

Peak wokeness, author of this article didn’t like a picture of coal miners in a bar bc it offended him like blackface even though he knows it isn’t blackface.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2019/01/28/downtown-phoenix-photo-men-soot-blackface/2683881002/

LOL, no shit my friend sent me this article this morning: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/movies/mary-poppins-returns-blackface.html

My reaction (without seeing your post) was "hot seat: coal miners."  The jokes really just write themselves these days. 

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Wed, Jan 30, 2019 9:20 AM
posted by iclfan2

Peak wokeness, author of this article didn’t like a picture of coal miners in a bar bc it offended him like blackface even though he knows it isn’t blackface.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2019/01/28/downtown-phoenix-photo-men-soot-blackface/2683881002/

This is narcissism of the first degree.  Thinking everything in the world is focused on and about you.  This guy will find offense everywhere he goes if he chooses.  Accordingly, his life will be filled with hurt and resentment.  No way to go.  

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

Wed, Jan 30, 2019 10:40 AM
posted by CenterBHSFan

So I read the article. I read "Coddling of the American Mind" not long ago and it explains much of this current culture. But I guess I still don't understand why so many people see something and it speaks to them directly. They take everything like it is aimed at them personally. It's like mass hysteria mixed with paranoia with a healthy dose of vanity. I am starting to view this mindset as a mental health disorder. I can't help it.

Professor Haidt is a brilliant guy.

gut

Senior Member

Wed, Jan 30, 2019 11:28 AM
posted by CenterBHSFan
It's like mass hysteria mixed with paranoia with a healthy dose of vanity. I am starting to view this mindset as a mental health disorder. I can't help it.

Happened to catch Jimmy Kimmel last night.  Now, remember, MANY people get their news [and views] from talking heads and late night talkshow hosts.

He was mocking Trump's "global warming" comment in response to the arctic blast hitting most of the US.  Saying "climate change IS extreme weather", as if it's a fact.  Actually, there's little to no evidence temperatures or weather-related events are more variable/extreme/common.  That's just the evolution of "global warming" after the planet stopped warming 20 years ago.  Reality is Kimmel is being just as ignorant and irresponsible as Trump here.