posted by iclfan2No one bats an eye at athlete or hollywood pay, but them big bad CEO's making money and keeping people employed...
Bingo
posted by CenterBHSFanI just had to put a stop to the discussion (as much as can be had on Twitter) when he posted this:
The psychosis is real
posted by iclfan2No one bats an eye at athlete or hollywood pay, but them big bad CEO's making money and keeping people employed...
Like everyone else, some CEO's are great a do their part to make the economy hum for others. But there are a lot of shitty CEO's no matter how you want to measure it. I have worked for two. The worst one made 225 times the average employee at the company. He loved flying on private jets, and made a bet that lost the company $5 billion in shareholder value. When he was fired, along with about 30% of the workforce to save the company from liquidation, he was paid ~$20 million in severance.
That is one example of course. But the point is that let's not try to paint CEO's as the heart and soul, salt-of-the-earth that makes our society work. Many are good people. Many, however are overvalued political monster narcissists.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieLike everyone else, some CEO's are great a do their part to make the economy hum for others. But there are a lot of shitty CEO's no matter how you want to measure it. I have worked for two. The worst one made 225 times the average employee at the company. He loved flying on private jets, and made a bet that lost the company $5 billion in shareholder value. When he was fired, along with about 30% of the workforce to save the company from liquidation, he was paid ~$20 million in severance.
That is one example of course. But the point is that let's not try to paint CEO's as the heart and soul, salt-of-the-earth that makes our society work. Many are good people. Many, however are overvalued political monster narcissists.
Even if they aren't good people, the free market/capitalism has inadvertently forced them to support families, save lives, lower prices, innovate, etc... Imperfect capitalism is 1000000000000x than socialism and/or over regulation by the Government. We always hear that "real socialism has never been tried," but neither has real capitalism and it still pwns anything with Government meddling.
posted by like_thatEven if they aren't good people, the free market/capitalism has inadvertently forced them to support families, save lives, lower prices, innovate, etc... Imperfect capitalism is 1000000000000x than socialism and/or over regulation by the Government. We always hear that "real socialism has never been tried," but neither has real capitalism and it still pwns anything with Government meddling.
My point had nothing to do with socialism. I'm just saying that CEO's shouldn't be held up as the backbone of all that is good in our world. If the people that work for corporations are capable, the company can do some of the things you list. That's not the same as the CEO singlehandedly doing them. There are some great CEO's who truly are the stuff that makes America go. But there are a lot of fucking assholes who get that chair because they will step on their mothers to do it. You can usually read about one of these everyday in the WSJ.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieBut there are a lot of fucking assholes who get that chair because they will step on their mothers to do it. You can usually read about one of these everyday in the WSJ.
I wasn't calling them anything other than CEOs. Of course there are terrible ones, and I still don't care how much they get paid. The money wouldn't magically flow to you or the employees. My point was it seems weird to outraged at CEO pay while rooting for Lebron and his $100M Nike deal at age 18.
posted by iclfan2I wasn't calling them anything other than CEOs. Of course there are terrible ones, and I still don't care how much they get paid. The money wouldn't magically flow to you or the employees. My point was it seems weird to outraged at CEO pay while rooting for Lebron and his $100M Nike deal at age 18.
It's not an either or thing.
Everyone’s a loser.
Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.
Honestly I think most businesses that pay 15$ an hour save money in the longrun because they dont have to constantly change and replace staff. Not only does this waste resources, but it can cost you money because of lost business due to bad customer service by new employees.
posted by geeblockHonestly I think most businesses that pay 15$ an hour save money in the longrun because they dont have to constantly change and replace staff. Not only does this waste resources, but it can cost you money because of lost business due to bad customer service by new employees.
That's a legitimate opinion, but shouldn't wages be determined by the employer and the prospective employee?
posted by QuakerOats
Everyone’s a loser.
Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.
Thanks Rush
posted by queencitybuckeyeThat's a legitimate opinion, but shouldn't wages be determined by the employer and the prospective employee?
I dont have a problem with that either, but if we want to solve our problem of people on public assistance, offering a job worth showing up for is a start. At 8$ an hour it actually makes more sense to stay on welfare. Also this is for full time employees, not part time workers at McDonalds. I can understand your point for a mom and pop grocery store that has just a few employees, but Mcdonalds and walmart both make billions of dollars and also get billions in corporate welfare, and yet we subsidize their workers with foodstamps and housing.
posted by geeblockHonestly I think most businesses that pay 15$ an hour save money in the longrun because they dont have to constantly change and replace staff. Not only does this waste resources, but it can cost you money because of lost business due to bad customer service by new employees.
This depends.
In certain industries, or within certain niches carved out within given industries, you're absolutely right, which is why many companies in those spaces do pay more than what works out to $15/hr. for even their bottom-tier employees.
Here's the thing: IF paying $15/hr is a sound financial move for a company, then doing so would put more money in the pockets of shareholders, owners, and/or executives. If we can trust them to be greedy, or at least self-interested (which is what most people are), then they would pay the $15/hr, because it would earn them more money in the long-run.
The thing is, there are industries where there really isn't that much upward mobility within the company, so whether you pay $9/hr, $15/hr, or $30/hr, there will still inevitably be a level of churn.
Couple that with the fact that some of these companies build their marketing strategy around being low-cost as opposed to having high quality product or service and you have a recipe for a potentially viable business that isn't conducive to paying a higher wage to entry-level employees.
Fast food is a prime example. People don't go to Burger King for a fine culinary experience or for 3-Star Michelin-level service. They go because they can get 10 nuggets for a buck. It wouldn't make sense to pay a higher wage there, because the increased quality of the employee wouldn't likely yield and palpable financial benefit.
This is, of course, also aside from the fact that a "living wage" is a moving target, because of inflation. When we were first married, my wife and I lived comfortably on a household income of about $40K a year. For the mathematically challenged, that comes out to just over $19/hr. Sounds fine, right? Except this was a household income, and there were two people living on it, so it actually worked out to being less than $10/hr per person. Yet that was still comfortable. Not lavish or extravagant. Comfortable. Just able to pay our bills, live in a nice townhouse in the suburbs, put food on the table, go out on a date every couple weeks, etc.
That same pay wouldn't be nearly as comfortable today.
So, the idea of moving to $15/hr because it's a "living wage" is not only impractical for some industries (and likely already implemented in the industries in which it's practical), but it's also short-sighted, because there will come a time in the not-so-distant future in which $15/hr is no longer a living wage, and we'll be back to this same spot having this same argument again.
This is all aside from the fact that it switches "paying for value" to "paying for need," but that's a different, more abstract argument.
Was this the thread where Boogie was denying there is media bias, because conservatives can go to their extremely bias sources (brietbart, blaze, etc) to get their news? If not, I am posting this here regardless.
I mostly get my political news from realclearpolitics, because they normally give both polarizing sides to any given topic. I highly recommend it for everyone. At the very least you can see how ridiculous our media is, but maybe you can pick up an argument from the other side you never thought of.
I sometimes watch CNN/MSNBC just for shits and giggles to see how full retard they have gone. Here is the latest example of how boogie is living in his own world if he doesn't think there is a media bias. Forget the anti semite rhetoric coming from democrat politicians, which is terrible, how about Omar Llhan going on CNN and defending conspiracy theories about Lindsey Graham being a homosexual and being blackmailed to be outed? So, now it is cool to out someone as gay as long as it is not a conservative doing it? Omar was even defending her opinion as evidence. The two CNN anchors let her get away with this and threw softball questions. This is the same network half an hour earlier referring to Trump's cancellation of Pelosi's flight as a "BOMBSHELL." If a republican did this and you don't think this wouldn't be plastered all over the news for weeks, you are completely delusional.
It's not about being able to put your head in the sand and only following sources that you agree with. The fact the MSM is just as bad (and a lot of cases worse) as the smaller biased sources is a disgrace and why our country is so divided. Hell, they are the reason why these extremely biased news sources exist to begin with.
posted by like_thatI sometimes watch CNN/MSNBC just for shits and giggles to see how full retard they have gone. Here is the latest example of how boogie is living in his own world if he doesn't think there is a media bias. Forget the anti semite rhetoric coming from democrat politicians, which is terrible, how about Omar Llhan going on CNN and defending conspiracy theories about Lindsey Graham being a homosexual and being blackmailed to be outed? So, now it is cool to out someone as gay as long as it is not a conservative doing it? Omar was even defending her opinion as evidence. The two CNN anchors let her get away with this and threw softball questions. This is the same network half an hour earlier referring to Trump's cancellation of Pelosi's flight as a "BOMBSHELL." If a republican did this and you don't think this wouldn't be plastered all over the news for weeks, you are completely delusional.
Ha funny screenshot on twitter of the douche Chris Calizza on Wednesday saying way to go Pelosi for trying to change the SOTU and calling her tough, then when Trump cancels the trip he calls him immature. It's hilarious. The anti-semitism coming out of the left is something to behold, after the ypretended to care so much about the Pittsburgh shooting.
Of course the legacy is performing its role. Just think about the fact that they focus so much on what they don't like Trump or what he's doing (which is fine, many of us don't) and how it's terrible that people/families are getting stopped at the border. This is the rallying cry of the people that they support.
When was the last time they polled if people were more worried about the southern border or their paychecks and then talked about that for weeks/months at a time?
We're supposed to worry and wring our hands so much about employees involved in the government shutdown, but when was the last time they talked about factories/mills/mines being shut down? When was the last time they focused on farmers going bankrupt? Where are all the stories of employees losing their jobs because the owner of the business can't afford to pay all of their employees $15/hour? Hint: if they are talked about it lasts about 20 seconds until commercial break.
Most of the legacy media is going further and further left because that is where the left is going. Say what you will about conservative media, but it's been relatively steady because conservatives have remained virtually stationary. There's data/polls/studies that prove this and in fact, I have linked to it before. Yet, we're supposed to be in denial of this and stay in our lanes.
posted by like_thatWas this the thread where Boogie was denying there is media bias, because conservatives can go to their extremely bias sources (brietbart, blaze, etc) to get their news? If not, I am posting this here regardless.
I mostly get my political news from realclearpolitics, because they normally give both polarizing sides to any given topic. I highly recommend it for everyone. At the very least you can see how ridiculous our media is, but maybe you can pick up an argument from the other side you never thought of.
I sometimes watch CNN/MSNBC just for shits and giggles to see how full retard they have gone. Here is the latest example of how boogie is living in his own world if he doesn't think there is a media bias. Forget the anti semite rhetoric coming from democrat politicians, which is terrible, how about Omar Llhan going on CNN and defending conspiracy theories about Lindsey Graham being a homosexual and being blackmailed to be outed? So, now it is cool to out someone as gay as long as it is not a conservative doing it? Omar was even defending her opinion as evidence. The two CNN anchors let her get away with this and threw softball questions. This is the same network half an hour earlier referring to Trump's cancellation of Pelosi's flight as a "BOMBSHELL." If a republican did this and you don't think this wouldn't be plastered all over the news for weeks, you are completely delusional.
It's not about being able to put your head in the sand and only following sources that you agree with. The fact the MSM is just as bad (and a lot of cases worse) as the smaller biased sources is a disgrace and why our country is so divided. Hell, they are the reason why these extremely biased news sources exist to begin with.
It's not that I don't think media sources are biased. As long as they are run by human beings, there will always be bias in what they do. On top of that, you will never be able to get consensus on media bias because everyone sees thing through their own filter. What is obviously biased to one person, is entirely objective and fair to another.
The "mainstream media" is an outdated term because now there are so many places to go find news and opinions. I think this is why CNN, Fox, MSN, etc are now chasing their audience instead of being the arrival point they used to be. In order to make what audience they have left stay loyal, they become very one-sided so that the people who agree with those views feel a lot of loyalty. It may work in some way today, but I think it is a sign of long term desperation.
Part of the schtick these networks play is to become targets for the other side. Political warriors from the left love to bitch about Fox. Political warriors from the right do the same with CNN. Complain as they do, they're still watching. Bad attention is still attention. I think the people in charge count on this.
What I don't understand is the outrage this causes. The myth that there was ever a news media that was free of opinion is incredible. If believe with all my hear that Fox is biased and I disagree with its positions, why do I insist on watching and getting all fired up about it? To keep tabs on what the other side is doing? What good does that do me? Seems like an lot of unnecessary anger and stress.
posted by like_thatI sometimes watch CNN/MSNBC just for shits and giggles to see how full retard they have gone. Here is the latest example of how boogie is living in his own world if he doesn't think there is a media bias. Forget the anti semite rhetoric coming from democrat politicians, which is terrible, how about Omar Llhan going on CNN and defending conspiracy theories about Lindsey Graham being a homosexual and being blackmailed to be outed? So, now it is cool to out someone as gay as long as it is not a conservative doing it? Omar was even defending her opinion as evidence. The two CNN anchors let her get away with this and threw softball questions. This is the same network half an hour earlier referring to Trump's cancellation of Pelosi's flight as a "BOMBSHELL." If a republican did this and you don't think this wouldn't be plastered all over the news for weeks, you are completely delusional.
It's not about being able to put your head in the sand and only following sources that you agree with. The fact the MSM is just as bad (and a lot of cases worse) as the smaller biased sources is a disgrace and why our country is so divided. Hell, they are the reason why these extremely biased news sources exist to begin with.
Saw that. For a moment I thought I was on another planet, not just in another country in the middle east. We have serious challenges coming our way.
posted by iclfan2Ha funny screenshot on twitter of the douche Chris Calizza on Wednesday saying way to go Pelosi for trying to change the SOTU and calling her tough, then when Trump cancels the trip he calls him immature. It's hilarious. The anti-semitism coming out of the left is something to behold, after the ypretended to care so much about the Pittsburgh shooting.
I missed the antisemitism from any of them recently. What was said/done?
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieThe "mainstream media" is an outdated term because now there are so many places to go find news and opinions. I think this is why CNN, Fox, MSN, etc are now chasing their audience instead of being the arrival point they used to be. In order to make what audience they have left stay loyal, they become very one-sided so that the people who agree with those views feel a lot of loyalty. It may work in some way today, but I think it is a sign of long term desperation.
This is something I've been thinking for awhile, and I stopped using the term "mainstream media" a couple years ago as a result. It just doesn't feel like there's any such thing anymore.
posted by O-TrapI missed the antisemitism from any of them recently. What was said/done?
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieThe "mainstream media" is an outdated term because now there are so many places to go find news and opinions. I think this is why CNN, Fox, MSN, etc are now chasing their audience instead of being the arrival point they used to be. In order to make what audience they have left stay loyal, they become very one-sided so that the people who agree with those views feel a lot of loyalty. It may work in some way today, but I think it is a sign of long term desperation.
This is something I've been thinking for awhile, and I stopped using the term "mainstream media" a couple years ago as a result. It just doesn't feel like there's any such thing anymore.
Those guys are collectively in trouble. You can see the writing on the wall. When the baby boomer generation is gone, I can't see how they all survive in their present form. Innovation in the field of information will make them more and more irrelevant. They will probably end up being the main audience for each other.
I suspect that you'll see the rise of the podcast. You get maybe one 30-second ad at the beginning and long conversations where people have the chance to get into the nuance of their positions rather than grandstanding before a hard break.
posted by like_thatWas this the thread where Boogie was denying there is media bias, because conservatives can go to their extremely bias sources (brietbart, blaze, etc) to get their news? If not, I am posting this here regardless.
I mostly get my political news from realclearpolitics, because they normally give both polarizing sides to any given topic. I highly recommend it for everyone. At the very least you can see how ridiculous our media is, but maybe you can pick up an argument from the other side you never thought of.
I sometimes watch CNN/MSNBC just for shits and giggles to see how full retard they have gone. Here is the latest example of how boogie is living in his own world if he doesn't think there is a media bias. Forget the anti semite rhetoric coming from democrat politicians, which is terrible, how about Omar Llhan going on CNN and defending conspiracy theories about Lindsey Graham being a homosexual and being blackmailed to be outed? So, now it is cool to out someone as gay as long as it is not a conservative doing it? Omar was even defending her opinion as evidence. The two CNN anchors let her get away with this and threw softball questions. This is the same network half an hour earlier referring to Trump's cancellation of Pelosi's flight as a "BOMBSHELL." If a republican did this and you don't think this wouldn't be plastered all over the news for weeks, you are completely delusional.
It's not about being able to put your head in the sand and only following sources that you agree with. The fact the MSM is just as bad (and a lot of cases worse) as the smaller biased sources is a disgrace and why our country is so divided. Hell, they are the reason why these extremely biased news sources exist to begin with.
Don't forget the one dipshit cunt at CNN who told some dude to check his white privilege...except said dude was black. There are way too many commentators on these networks who've seen Hannity and think that if they can pull off a left-wing version of him, they can be celebrities in their profession, not understanding that when you imitate a jackass, you become one because they're so tone-deaf.
Media is calling this shutdown “Trump’s doing“ and saying how he is holding federal employees hostage till he gets his way. But when Obama had a shutdown, it was “republicans refuse to give in for Obama’s healthcare plan for the American people”
if you can’t see there’s a media bias, you’re probably part of the problem.
posted by O-TrapI missed the antisemitism from any of them recently. What was said/done?
The same IIhan Omar that was saying Lindsey Graham is gay also said about Israel "Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel. #Gaza #Palestine #Israel". Rashida Tlaib is another one. There are also a few that are part of the BDS movement.
posted by SportsAndLadyMedia is calling this shutdown “Trump’s doing“ and saying how he is holding federal employees hostage till he gets his way. But when Obama had a shutdown, it was “republicans refuse to give in for Obama’s healthcare plan for the American people”
if you can’t see there’s a media bias, you’re probably part of the problem.
Two things can be true. There is certainly a media bias, but Trump claimed "credit" for the shutdown right up front.