Impressed by the Trump administration part II

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QuakerOats

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Tue, Jan 14, 2020 2:19 PM

 

Nice to see The Donald at the National Championship game last night, and the lovely First Lady.

 

Spock

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Tue, Jan 14, 2020 2:32 PM
posted by QuakerOats

 

Nice to see The Donald at the National Championship game last night, and the lovely First Lady.

 

Did he get booed?

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Tue, Jan 14, 2020 3:19 PM

 

 

Hardly.

 

Standing ovation and USA chant.

 

 

MAGA

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Tue, Jan 14, 2020 3:19 PM

The Trump administration has proposed diverting an extra $7.2 billion from military construction projects to fund a wall on the US-Mexican border. The funds would extend the wall to 885 miles from a planned 509 miles.

CNBC (1/14),  The Washington Post (tiered subscription model) (1/13) 

 

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Tue, Jan 14, 2020 3:53 PM
posted by QuakerOats

The Trump administration has proposed diverting an extra $7.2 billion from military construction projects to fund a wall on the US-Mexican border. The funds would extend the wall to 885 miles from a planned 509 miles.

CNBC (1/14),  The Washington Post (tiered subscription model) (1/13) 

 

Cool. 

I was at a meeting with the Army Corps last month.  They were bidding and about to award several water, harbor and dredging projects, but were told nope, hold off because as the Colonel said funds were being transferred to the desert. Those firms that submitted bids did not receive any compensation for putting in their bids. 

Good to know funds that could be used for actual projects is being sent to the wall. 

Spock

Senior Member

Tue, Jan 14, 2020 4:45 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

Cool. 

I was at a meeting with the Army Corps last month.  They were bidding and about to award several water, harbor and dredging projects, but were told nope, hold off because as the Colonel said funds were being transferred to the desert. Those firms that submitted bids did not receive any compensation for putting in their bids. 

Good to know funds that could be used for actual projects is being sent to the wall. 

The wall is an actual project.  One that will actual be worth our money

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Tue, Jan 14, 2020 6:11 PM
posted by Spock

The wall is an actual project.  One that will actual be worth our money

So were those projects to actually improve waterways, dams, and deeper harbors. Now, those projects are delayed and could hurt commerce along the waterways.

But, sure the wall is worth it. 

Spock

Senior Member

Tue, Jan 14, 2020 10:30 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

So were those projects to actually improve waterways, dams, and deeper harbors. Now, those projects are delayed and could hurt commerce along the waterways.

But, sure the wall is worth it. 

Lol at waterway commerce being more important then just letting anyone or anything crossing our borders.

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Wed, Jan 15, 2020 7:55 AM
posted by Spock

Lol at waterway commerce being more important then just letting anyone or anything crossing our borders.

Goods getting from the ports to factories and stores> a multi billion $ wall that will not solve the issue of illegal immigration. 

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Wed, Jan 15, 2020 10:26 AM

 

National security, protecting The People, thwarting the drug flow, and destroying human trafficking are exceedingly important. 

 

As well, doing what you said you would do, as rare as that is in politics, is highly important ……….especially given the radical resistance at every turn.

QuakerOats

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Wed, Jan 15, 2020 10:27 AM

 

29,000

 

 

Take care

 

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

Wed, Jan 15, 2020 12:59 PM
posted by QuakerOats

National security, protecting The People, thwarting the drug flow, and destroying human trafficking are exceedingly important. 

Most illegal immigrants are people who fly to the US and outstay their documentation's time limits.

Most of the actually-dangerous drugs smuggled into the country are through either the postal service (look it up) or through checkpoints that already do, and will continue to, exist, as points of entry/exit are necessary, even with a wall in place.  Also, most of the smugglers are US citizens and/or residents.

Most human trafficking goes through the POEs.
 

posted by QuakerOats

As well, doing what you said you would do, as rare as that is in politics, is highly important ……….especially given the radical resistance at every turn.

Okay, then I'm waiting for Mexico to pay for a wall.  That was, after all, the actual claim.  This is a bait-and-switch.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Wed, Jan 15, 2020 4:45 PM

 

 

So you are saying that 20-30 million illegal immigrants flew here, and overstayed their visa.  Amazing.

 

(Vastly) most of the illegal drugs come here through Mexico.  Doing the same thing we have been doing is a mega fail.

 

Mexican cartels control human trafficking to the tune of $150 billion. Yes, that is a B.  Doing the same thing we have been doing is a mega fail.

 

Mexico can pay for the wall in a number of ways; I guess you thought it would be one check payable to the United States Treasury.

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

Wed, Jan 15, 2020 7:43 PM
posted by QuakerOats

 

So you are saying that 20-30 million illegal immigrants flew here, and overstayed their visa.  Amazing.

I didn't say that.  You did. Arguing against it is a strawman.

I did, however say that it's how most immigrants are here, but apparently, when I said "most," you read "all."

The majority of illegals in the US enter legally.

(Also, the highest number I've seen is 22 million total illegals, but let's not let a silly little thing like numbers get in the way of some good, ol'-fashioned Chicken Little nonsense.)

 

posted by QuakerOats

(Vastly) most of the illegal drugs come here through Mexico.  Doing the same thing we have been doing is a mega fail.

Most of the illegal drugs are Marijuana, and it's not close.

Most of the "dangerous" drugs (re-read what I wrote; it's in there) come via postal service or through the POEs.  Actually, a good chunk of the Marijuana comes through the POE, as well.

Unless you think the wall is going to block off the POEs, your statement that they come from Mexico is irrelevant.

 

posted by QuakerOats

Mexican cartels control human trafficking to the tune of $150 billion. Yes, that is a B.  Doing the same thing we have been doing is a mega fail.

Why don't we just have Congress stick their collective thumbs up their asses?  It's different ... ish.  It'll be just as effective as building a wall to block off land that already isn't used to smuggle.  And it'll cost taxpayers less.

Also, that $150 billion is worldwide.  Not just the Mexican cut of things.

 

posted by QuakerOats

Mexico can pay for the wall in a number of ways; I guess you thought it would be one check payable to the United States Treasury.

What, they're going to pay for it in bags of wampum?  In trade they're not asking for that we deny them (that sounds about like what it'd be)?  Let's hear the super-duper 4-D chess way we're going to force a sovereign state to pay for something they neither asked for nor cared about.

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Fri, Jan 17, 2020 8:12 AM

Looks some there was some injuries from the Iranian missile strike. 

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/01/eleven-us-troops-were-injured-jan-8-iran-missile-strike/162502/

Also, wooboy, this excerpt is pretty rough. These are typical as one ends an Administration and former officials spill the beans. I've read the ones from the Clinton, Bush, and Obama years, but these so far about Trump are all pretty damning. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/youre-a-bunch-of-dopes-and-babies-inside-trumps-stunning-tirade-against-generals/2020/01/16/d6dbb8a6-387e-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Fri, Jan 17, 2020 11:24 AM

“Because of the President’s tenacity and focus, this is an indisputable win for our country and a momentous day in the U.S.–China economic relationship,” said Timmons. “It is a remarkable turning point for manufacturers, with the unprecedented and enforceable commitments on critical intellectual property protections to which China has agreed. The NAM looks forward to…working with the administration in holding China accountable for its ambitious commitments. Additionally, we are committed to achieving more progress in reducing trade uncertainty as the focus of the administration and the NAM now turn to ‘phase two.’”

 

 

 

 

How refreshing to have a president actually do something in the best interest of American workers.

 

Dr Winston O'Boogie

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Tue, Jan 21, 2020 12:35 PM
posted by QuakerOats

 

29,000

 

 

Take care

 

If Trump is to be credited with the Dow's performance, should Obama be credited for its performance during his first term when it grew at a rate slightly ahead of the rate it has during Trump's term-to-date?  

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

Tue, Jan 21, 2020 12:49 PM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

If Trump is to be credited with the Dow's performance, should Obama be credited for its performance during his first term when it grew at a rate slightly ahead of the rate it has during Trump's term-to-date?  

Yes, but I'd prefer it be called out for the bullshit it is, in both cases.

gut

Senior Member

Tue, Jan 21, 2020 12:57 PM
posted by queencitybuckeye

Yes, but I'd prefer it be called out for the bullshit it is, in both cases.

It is kind of apples to oranges.  Obama came into office with a market near the bottom - the recession ended less than 6 months into office.  After a big bear market like that you'll have big gains in the years immediately following.

Trump has passed some pro growth policies that have produced pretty remarkable gains considering he took office nearly 8 years into an expansion.

 

That said, both have inflated the market with artificially low interest rates.  And it's hard to say the market might not be similarly overvalued as it was in 2007.  While the Great Recession was triggered by a liquidity event and never economic fundamentals, I think we were due for a big market correction regardless.

It's happened twice already in 2000 and 2007.  Doesn't appear we've learned our lesson yet as we continue to overinflate assets with easy money long after it's ceased to be necessary or useful.

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Tue, Jan 21, 2020 1:07 PM

It's an overly simplistic measurement of someone as president.  However QO cites it often.  So I just wanted to see if he extends the same logic to Obama.  I'm sure he does not.

gut

Senior Member

Tue, Jan 21, 2020 1:30 PM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

It's an overly simplistic measurement of someone as president.  However QO cites it often.  So I just wanted to see if he extends the same logic to Obama.  I'm sure he does not.

I agree with that.  The are better, more direct measures of the economy.  Markets are, theoretically, forward looking several years into the future.

Jobs and GDP growth.  And, I suppose, deficits and inflation - the latter hasn't mattered substantially in decades, and the former doesn't seem to matter much to either party in the WH, any more.

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Mon, Jan 27, 2020 4:09 PM

John Bolten - another conservative wi was in lockstep with Trump and then all of a sudden, for reasons known only to God, began a career as a raging liar against Trump. 

 

Bolten is threatening my liberty!

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Mon, Jan 27, 2020 4:48 PM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

John Bolten - another conservative wi was in lockstep with Trump and then all of a sudden, for reasons known only to God, began a career as a raging liar against Trump. 

 

Bolten is threatening my liberty!

 

 

He’s got a book to sell …don’t ya know.

 

 

He’ll be under the bus with Balsey-Ford in about 10 days, just another victim of the left-wing democrat/media alliance.

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Mon, Jan 27, 2020 5:09 PM
posted by QuakerOats

 

 

He’s got a book to sell …don’t ya know.

 

 

He’ll be under the bus with Balsey-Ford in about 10 days, just another victim of the left-wing democrat/media alliance.

The great left wing/media conspiracy - smart enough to ensnare people like Bolten, but not smart enough to fool you!!!!

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Mon, Jan 27, 2020 9:46 PM
posted by QuakerOats

 

 

He’s got a book to sell …don’t ya know.

 

 

He’ll be under the bus with Balsey-Ford in about 10 days, just another victim of the left-wing democrat/media alliance.

If there was ever a time I would agree with you...it is this. I still remember Bolton from the Bush years, where he was a lying, war hawk, asshole hell bent in invading Iraq, Iran and North Korea. He was also a dick and an asshole at the State Department and at the UN. His coworkers hated him. 

I take whatever that fucker says with a huge grain of salt. He may be pissed about getting fired or maybe he just wants to screw Trump. 

If the Ds are suddenly loving Bolton for what he heard, they are completely forgetting all his bullshit during the Bush years. Fuck that guy.