posted by gut

He's not entirely wrong.  But it's not Trump specifically, but rather just that POTUS is not a socialist.  Even just stalling the socialist agenda for 8 years is a pretty good tailwind for the economy.

And the corporate tax cuts were a big deal.  I hope the Dems aren't dumb enough to actually try to undo those.

What about manufacturing plants that were built and opened while Obama was president.  Were those done in spite of him.  Isn't this all kind of convenient?

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

What about manufacturing plants that were built and opened while Obama was president.  Were those done in spite of him.  Isn't this all kind of convenient?

Obama was definitely an "anti-business" environment while Trump is pro-growth.  That matters, quite a bit, whether you want to admit it or not.

posted by gut

Obama was definitely an "anti-business" environment while Trump is pro-growth.  That matters, quite a bit, whether you want to admit it or not.

My point is that the sitting president is not responsible for the performance of today's economy.  He may put in place policies or appoint judges, etc that will contribute to the economy of the future.  But company's don't decide to build a $500 million manufacturing plant or enter a new  business because of the whims of the current president.  That's fanciful.  Every article QO reads on Drudge about a new plant opening up or a hiring binge is cited as an example of Trump's success.  The questions he never answers are if negative stories can also be attributed to Trump, and should Obama similarly get credit for positive stories that happened during his "regime".

Maybe instead of constantly looking for answers that he's unwilling or incapable of giving, you should simply cut through the knot, so to speak, and come to the understanding that he's blindly partisan to the point that, regardless of how intelligent he may be, he comes off as a frothing idiot. Every single thing that is good comes from the Rs; every single thing that is bad is because of the Ds and that's that. No deep thinking necessary, nor any use of actual logic and reason. Just a pure good/evil thing where the worth and value of everything is determined by what political party has the reins and how that can be twisted to suit his "R = good, D = bad" philosophy.

There's no point in looking for deeper meanings when dealing with a person who lives and dies by the most simplistic of viewpoints.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

My point is that the sitting president is not responsible for the performance of today's economy. 

I understand your point.  And it's wrong.  Taxes and the economic outlook have a huge impact on investment decisions.  I know this because I've been in Board Rooms when these decisions are made....as opposed to the ignorant "journalist" you read imagining what those discussions look like.

Most other people who have been in Board Rooms agree with me.  It's pretty much only partisan journalists with an agenda talking out of their ass who disagree.

posted by Heretic

Maybe instead of constantly looking for answers that he's unwilling or incapable of giving, you should simply cut through the knot, so to speak, and come to the understanding that he's blindly partisan to the point that, regardless of how intelligent he may be, he comes off as a frothing idiot. Every single thing that is good comes from the Rs; every single thing that is bad is because of the Ds and that's that. No deep thinking necessary, nor any use of actual logic and reason. Just a pure good/evil thing where the worth and value of everything is determined by what political party has the reins and how that can be twisted to suit his "R = good, D = bad" philosophy.

There's no point in looking for deeper meanings when dealing with a person who lives and dies by the most simplistic of viewpoints.

Well, if someone appeals to sound reason when making their case, it's hardly unjustified to want them to demonstrate it and address defeaters.

Plus, sometimes it's just fun to take someone to task if they've been obnoxious.
 

posted by gut

I understand your point.  And it's wrong.  Taxes and the economic outlook have a huge impact on investment decisions.  I know this because I've been in Board Rooms when these decisions are made....as opposed to the ignorant "journalist" you read imagining what those discussions look like.

Most other people who have been in Board Rooms agree with me.  It's pretty much only partisan journalists with an agenda talking out of their ass who disagree.

I've been in a boardroom where this sort of thing was discussed, and it was definitely the case there.  Having said that, and I know you articulated this earlier, action was mostly seen as negative, and inaction was mostly seen as positive.
 

posted by O-Trap

Well, if someone appeals to sound reason when making their case, it's hardly unjustified to want them to demonstrate it and address defeaters.

Plus, sometimes it's just fun to take someone to task if they've been obnoxious.

 

While I don't disagree with your point in general, I think there becomes a time when trying to find deeper purpose and meaning to what a person is saying becomes futile. QQ's had many opportunities over the years to try to explain his reasoning beyond a simplistic "R = GOOD; D = BAD!!!" stance and his only real reaction is to keep on keepin' on with his "praise everything good that is happening; ignore anything bad because an R holds the presidency" persona that, quite honestly, comes off sounding fake as hell after a while. To the degree a person could plausibly wonder if he's a hardcore left-winger trolling by adopting a brain-addled right-wing personality OR a reasonably well-designed bot spamming the site with propaganda.

Some people, regardless of how their views differ from mine, come from a position deserving of being taken seriously due to at least appearing to have some authority or knowledge concerning whatever subject is being discussed. He is basically Sleeper if he never did that ill-fated 180-degree turn from "heh, poor people suck" to over-the-top SJW. Nothing but generic, knee-jerk opinions followed by often-biased links backing up said opinion.

posted by Heretic

While I don't disagree with your point in general, I think there becomes a time when trying to find deeper purpose and meaning to what a person is saying becomes futile. QQ's had many opportunities over the years to try to explain his reasoning beyond a simplistic "R = GOOD; D = BAD!!!" stance and his only real reaction is to keep on keepin' on with his "praise everything good that is happening; ignore anything bad because an R holds the presidency" persona that, quite honestly, comes off sounding fake as hell after a while. To the degree a person could plausibly wonder if he's a hardcore left-winger trolling by adopting a brain-addled right-wing personality OR a reasonably well-designed bot spamming the site with propaganda.

Some people, regardless of how their views differ from mine, come from a position deserving of being taken seriously due to at least appearing to have some authority or knowledge concerning whatever subject is being discussed. He is basically Sleeper if he never did that ill-fated 180-degree turn from "heh, poor people suck" to over-the-top SJW. Nothing but generic, knee-jerk opinions followed by often-biased links backing up said opinion.

Damn.  That's actually a pretty good parallel.

You don't suppose ...

BOARD ROOMS.

posted by gut

When he's not watching Fox News, he's reading press clippings of himself.  Hard to imagine where he finds the time to campaign and golf so much.

Which sort of proves the point I've been making for a while - the President doesn't actually do anything.  The idea that POTUS "runs the country" is laughable.  It's a marketing & advertising position and you just rubber stamp all the real decisions.

LOL

You mean all the real decisions that have been kicked down the road for 3 decades now?  Hell, Trump has accomplished more in 3 years than anyone I can remember; he is right there with Reagan.  And all of it while being bludgeoned by the media non-stop, 24x7, for three years, along with the impeachment mob.  It is stunning what he has achieved given the circumstances.

And thus concludes The Daily Blowjob.

posted by QuakerOats

 

LOL

You mean all the real decisions that have been kicked down the road for 3 decades now?  Hell, Trump has accomplished more in 3 years than anyone I can remember; he is right there with Reagan.  And all of it while being bludgeoned by the media non-stop, 24x7, for three years, along with the impeachment mob.  It is stunning what he has achieved given the circumstances.

 

What has he done with healthcare?

posted by geeblock

What has he done with healthcare?

There is legislation sitting somewhere to deal with prescription med costs.  

posted by O-Trap

I seriously don't understand what the rationale is for someone to be an adult by legal standards, but for there to be laws in place for the purpose of criminalizing them for making decisions about their own lives as adults.

Fucking dumb.

Well, they had to raise the age to 21 in order to prevent 14 year olds from using tobacco. How can you not comprehend this?!!

posted by like_that

Well, they had to raise the age to 21 in order to prevent 14 year olds from using tobacco. How can you not comprehend this?!!

What was I thinking?

posted by geeblock

What has he done with healthcare?

Chipped away at dismantling obamaKare (and would have completely whacked it except for John McCain) …………which in and of itself is good for free Americans.  Getting government out of health care and health insurance should be the objective.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Chipped away at dismantling obamaKare (and would have completely whacked it except for John McCain) …………which in and of itself is good for free Americans.  Getting government out of health care and health insurance should be the objective.

What's the capital "K" supposed to signify?  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

What's the capital "K" supposed to signify?  

Komrade

I could be wrong but when the dems has control didn’t the gop vote like 60 times to repeal Obamacare and also shut down the government over it? Then we they get control and have the ability to repeal it they don’t? Maybe I’m not educated on the subject but that is what it looks like to me 

posted by geeblock

I could be wrong but when the dems has control didn’t the gop vote like 60 times to repeal Obamacare and also shut down the government over it? Then we they get control and have the ability to repeal it they don’t? Maybe I’m not educated on the subject but that is what it looks like to me 

Repubs could have done it, but were one vote short because McCain’s personal vindictiveness got in the way of doing what was right for Americans. Sad.

McCain ended up with some serious stains on his career at the end.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/26/best-things-trump-has-done/

maga

Getting hard to not feel bad for McCain. Dude had a very accomplished life, but gets shit on by the Rs because he wasn't the sort of party-before-country swamp-dweller they love. While also getting shit on by the Ds because every time he didn't toe the party line, they seemed to think he was one of them, so when he didn't take their side on another issue, they took it as some massive betrayal by a tool who wanted to have his cake and eat it, too.

Kind of depressing to those of us who are more moderate and who'd like more officeholders to be something other than generic mouthpieces for whatever party they're affiliated with to realize that the end result of being a moderate in today's culture is to simply have both sides hate you because you aren't 100% entrenched in their bullshit. The way this site's Pure R Dipshits are talking about McCain is about the same way I've seen Pure Prog Dipshits talking about Gabbard, to where she apparently is a Trump mole who is planning to run as an Independent simply to siphon off potential D voters.

posted by Heretic

Kind of depressing to those of us who are more moderate and who'd like more officeholders to be something other than generic mouthpieces for whatever party they're affiliated with

It's really hard to be a "maverick" in today's Congress.  The entrenched career politicians leading those parties beat you down if you don't play ball - they cut off your funding, support your primary challenger and you're done.  Trump's impeachment - which was not purely politics - illustrates how bipartisanship is completely lost.  428 votes and literally 2 crossed party lines (not counting Tulsi's spineless "present" vote).

"The Squad" might be an exception mainly because of outside money, which is pretty messed up.  I certainly wouldn't want AOC representing my district - if she's not after even bigger things she certainly seems much more interested in the national stage than her home district.

posted by QuakerOats

 

Repubs could have done it, but were one vote short because McCain’s personal vindictiveness got in the way of doing what was right for Americans. Sad.

So just so I’m understanding this correctly they only had the majority by 1 person?