posted by kizer permanenteyou got it homie.
wait.. paypal? is this 1999? lol where's zelle?
Honestly, I'm ashamed I don't accept bitcoin. Everyone on here is a boomer anyway, most people request to send me a check.
posted by guthttps://www.reuters.com/world/excerpts-call-between-joe-biden-ashraf-ghani-july-23-2021-08-31/
Can't wait to see "moderate" Ptown's take... But most people will land somewhere between Biden had an uninformed and incompetent command of the situation, and asking a foreign leader to deceive the international community and American people in order to provide political cover for Biden's bungling.
I read that and my mind went right back to conversations with South Vietnam before the collapse. Biden is telling the Afghan President, hey get your shit in order and use that 300k army. Turns out that 300k army was a shell of itself, just like in Vietnam. The Afghan President did himself no favors here either as he just bolted when the collapse was coming. He seemed to suggest hey things are not great here in that convo, but he himself did not really convey how dire the situation was. Was it because he did not know or was he covering it up? Unclear.
posted by justincredibleHonestly, I'm ashamed I don't accept bitcoin. Everyone on here is a boomer anyway, most people request to send me a check.
can you update zelle or venmo so i dont have to create a paypal lol
posted by like_thatThe coping of Biden’s failure is sad and pathetic. If the best you can do is bring up Trump to defend Biden, then it’s not really a strong argument, especially when Biden played a big part of this 20 year shit show prior to taking office. I am not surprised to see certain people pretend he just inherited this mess though.
It’s ok to admit the Biden Administration completely failed with this withdrawal. Anyone who actually paid attention to the Biden campaign is not shocked by how these events took place. They literally ran on “we are not Trump,” and hid from the public for the majority of the time. That’s pretty much how this administration ran for Biden’s first 7 months in office as well, until all of this erupted. They weren’t meant to be in the spotlight making tough decisions and answering (for once) tough questions. This past month has done nothing, but confirm it. They are just not good at this job. Biden’s grade as a commander in chief is currently a F. Hopefully he improves that grade in the next 3.5 years considering lives will be on the line.
This is by no means an endorsement for Trump. He should have withdrawn during his 4 years, but he played politics with the withdrawal. I naively thought TDS would go away with Trump gone, but it looks like some people need therapy to let it go.
I get some of that and you may be right. I also understand that no administration would have done this correctly. Biden's actions were pretty bad, but this is just the latest in line with strategic surprises and failures. It is amazing how little we learn from our past mistakes. The writing was on the wall from human rights groups, the State Department and Afghan translators.
I do agree that Biden does deserve a good amount of blame for his Obama time in office. But, if you go back and read the decision making in the time for the surge in 09-10, Biden was one of the ones saying we need to get out and was against the surge of troops. Gates and Clinton were in favor of the surge and they won the argument.
I think the big thing to blame Biden on is his inability to adapt to the situation. He made the decision to get out. He did not listen to any earlier guidance from generals, State, or Afghans saying hey, speed up the withdraw of people here. It seems he was one track focused, getting out. It seems like he looked at the generals and other people around the room and said, their advice has been wrong for 20 years, why should I listen to it now? That single focus on ignoring things until it below up in our face, and the failure to see the collpase coming is what made this mess.
posted by kizer permanentecan you update zelle or venmo so i dont have to create a paypal lol
Sent you a PM.
posted by QuakerOats
False.. this was after the ceremony.
What was after which ceremony?
I haven't looked into it much, because I really don't care, but I did see a video of one of the fathers of the fallen claim that Biden checked his watch after every single fallen soldiers went by. He didn't just check his watch once, AFIAK. I also heard that one of the parents was kicked off of twitter for giving Biden the business, but I also haven't looked into that claim.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fathers-of-marines-killed-kabul-felt-disrespected-biden-2021-8
Hoover told Hannity that he refused to meet with Biden that day because he didn't want him "anywhere near us." He added: "In reference to the checking of his watch, that didn't happen just once. That happened on every single one that came out of that airplane. It happened on every single one of them. They'd release the salute, and he'd look down at his watch — on all 13 he'd look down at his watch."
So, was the "ceremony" over, or did he literally check his watch in between each and every service member being brought off the plane?
All things being equal, I'd say it's 50/50 whether the Biden administration lied about him not checking his watch until after the ceremony OR that the dad who (a) was talking to fucking Hannity and (b) opened his commentary by pointing out he refused to meet with Biden and didn't want him anywhere near his family lied about him constantly checking his watch.
I'd also say it doesn't even matter simply because people will believe whichever of those two scenarios most closely align with their personal politics and dismiss the other side as "fake" even if there was a camera pointed at Biden the entire time and that video was released to definitively prove he was or wasn't looking at his watch.
posted by HereticAll things being equal, I'd say it's 50/50 whether the Biden administration lied about him not checking his watch until after the ceremony OR that the dad who (a) was talking to fucking Hannity and (b) opened his commentary by pointing out he refused to meet with Biden and didn't want him anywhere near his family lied about him constantly checking his watch.
I'd also say it doesn't even matter simply because people will believe whichever of those two scenarios most closely align with their personal politics and dismiss the other side as "fake" even if there was a camera pointed at Biden the entire time and that video was released to definitively prove he was or wasn't looking at his watch.
Yeah, I'm in this camp. Either side is going to believe their own spin.
I would only add that trying to think of Biden not caring about grieving families when he lost his own son is pretty dumb.
posted by HereticAll things being equal, I'd say it's 50/50 whether the Biden administration lied about him not checking his watch until after the ceremony OR that the dad who (a) was talking to fucking Hannity and (b) opened his commentary by pointing out he refused to meet with Biden and didn't want him anywhere near his family lied about him constantly checking his watch.
I'd also say it doesn't even matter simply because people will believe whichever of those two scenarios most closely align with their personal politics and dismiss the other side as "fake" even if there was a camera pointed at Biden the entire time and that video was released to definitively prove he was or wasn't looking at his watch.
This is probably accurate.
posted by geeblockFalse.. this was after the ceremony.
Incorrect.
https://meaww.com/joe-biden-check-watch-dover-air-force-base-video-slammed-internet-reactions
posted by ptown_trojans_1I read that and my mind went right back to conversations with South Vietnam before the collapse. Biden is telling the Afghan President, hey get your shit in order and use that 300k army. Turns out that 300k army was a shell of itself, just like in Vietnam. The Afghan President did himself no favors here either as he just bolted when the collapse was coming. He seemed to suggest hey things are not great here in that convo, but he himself did not really convey how dire the situation was. Was it because he did not know or was he covering it up? Unclear.
This sounds pretty dire to me.
GHANI: Mr. President, we are facing a full-scale invasion, composed of Taliban, full Pakistani planning and logistical support, and at least 10-15,000 international terrorists, predominantly Pakistanis thrown into this, so that dimension needs to be taken account of.
posted by QuakerOats
Incorrect.
https://meaww.com/joe-biden-check-watch-dover-air-force-base-video-slammed-internet-reactions
And this as well
https://www.foxnews.com/media/usa-today-correction-fact-check-biden-watch
"Corrections & Clarifications: This story was updated Sept. 2 to note that Biden checked his watch multiple times at the dignified transfer event, including during the ceremony itself," the correction read at the top of the report on Thursday.
He needs to resign, today.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-department-afghanistan-private-rescue-flights-leaked-email
Hard to believe.
Resign!
Biden out there blaming weather on climate change again. It's really too bad there isn't a responsible journalist out there to actually READ the IPCC report and do a little research. The fearmongering headlines are all based off improbable scenarios run through garbage models - about as close as you can get to the definition of junk science.
Chuck Schumer standing next to him. Sounds like he's about to orgasm.
obama/biden slugging .800 with this move
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/4-prisoners-bowe-bergdahl-exchange-obama-senior-taliban-posts
This is pretty funny.
Holy crap this clip pic.twitter.com/1CBuSkkmpA
— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) September 8, 2021
posted by justincredibleThis is pretty funny.
Again - tell me how he's different from Trump, mean tweets aside? Obama, Trump and Biden all the same, spend all their time dismissing their critics as "fake news".
POTUS doesn't really do anything any more, just the "Chief Spin Doctor".
"Everybody loves me. I mean that sincerely."