I'm hoping Manchin, or some other Dem, will kill the $3.5T in the Senate.  I think Pelosi is putting this forward only because AOC is leading a shakedown, and Pelosi needs those votes to pass the $1.2T.

As for the $1.2T, we've been talking for years about our crumbling infrastructure.  Trump campaigned on it - $2T, I think - pretty hard in 2016 so the idea WAS even more popular than the 19 Repubs that voted for it.

posted by gut

As for the $1.2T, we've been talking for years about our crumbling infrastructure.  Trump campaigned on it - $2T, I think - pretty hard in 2016 so the idea WAS even more popular than the 19 Repubs that voted for it.

10% of the money goes to roads and bridges.

Remember those shovel ready jobs we heard about with Biden and Obama?  Yea me neither.

Biden's plan to reduce gas prices: tell OPEC to pump more, and investigate possible price collusion.

LMFAO.  Rather Trump-like to offer complete bullshit as a possible cause.

posted by gut

Biden's plan to reduce gas prices: tell OPEC to pump more, and investigate possible price collusion.

LMFAO.  Rather Trump-like to offer complete bullshit as a possible cause.

Well since we shut down our energy and let Russia ramp theirs up.......wonder if Hunters 3rd laptop had anything to do with it?

Turn the spicket back on and the Dems would look better but they are too stupid to think like that.

posted by Fletch

Well since we shut down our energy and let Russia ramp theirs up.......wonder if Hunters 3rd laptop had anything to do with it?

I think the DOJ is looking at him, but it's an absolute joke how there aren't multiple Congressional investigations into Hunter.

Way more smoke here than anything Trump/Russia....and crickets.

For crying out loud, that video is pretty much as bad as you'd expect the infamous "pee tape" to have been (if it actually existed).

posted by iclfan2

The $1T infrastructure bill is trash, all republicans who voted for it are trash (looking at you Graham), and the $3.5T Budget resolution is really trash. 

Yep

Exiting Afghanistan is going swell! So is inflation. Oh and forget about the border surge (regardless of 40% of them having Covid).  Can’t believe the media isn’t harping on any of it!

posted by iclfan2

Exiting Afghanistan is going swell! So is inflation. Oh and forget about the border surge (regardless of 40% of them having Covid).  Can’t believe the media isn’t harping on any of it!

The border is on him. Afghanistan is a no-win for any president though. It's a shit pile brought to us by Bush. Considering he led us into that debacle at the same time he led us into an even bigger one in Iraq, he ought to go down as one of worst leaders ever. It is tragic when you consider those who fought and died in Afghanistan for essentially nothing.  Not to mention the trillions spent. Horrible. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

The border is on him. Afghanistan is a no-win for any president though. It's a shit pile brought to us by Bush. Considering he led us into that debacle at the same time he led us into an even bigger one in Iraq, he ought to go down as one of worst leaders ever. It is tragic when you consider those who fought and died in Afghanistan for essentially nothing.  Not to mention the trillions spent. Horrible. 

I agree with you. I was blaming him for the actual exiting of the embassy. They should have been gone prior to telling them the date of exit. The Afghan forces/ government are already just laying down against the Taliban. What a waste. 

So news sources are reporting that Taliban are running everything by the end of the week,  other terrorist groups are heading that way.  

When the video footage of them burning down our embassy comes out, every Dem is gonna have a tough time defending this.

posted by Fletch

So news sources are reporting that Taliban are running everything by the end of the week,  other terrorist groups are heading that way.  

When the video footage of them burning down our embassy comes out, every Dem is gonna have a tough time defending this.

This isn't a partisan issue. Our options were to stay there into perpetuity to keep the peace or to leave and have the Taliban immediately fill the void. Any president is in a no win situation ( except the one who got us involved in the first place - Bush). If you stay, you continue wasting lives and treasure for nothing. If you leave, you have what's happening now. I'll take the option that gets our troops out of there ASAP.  This debacle is on Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell. Blood's on their hands. 

We were there for 20 years and it fell within a week. It was always going to fall that quickly. 5 years, 20 years, or 50 years. 

Probly normal.

The White House announces that Biden will remain at Camp David through Wednesday. There are no public events scheduled.

— Philip Melanchthon Wegmann (@PhilipWegmann) August 13, 2021

posted by justincredible

We were there for 20 years and it fell within a week. It was always going to fall that quickly. 5 years, 20 years, or 50 years. 

Two decades of neocons and neolibs own this massive failure of the century. It was a team effort between Republican and Democratic controlled governments. We spent $90B alone training the Afghanis and they folded within two weeks.  Sadly, nobody will be held accountable for this complete failure. Bush admin, Obama admin, Trump Admin, etc will get to live their lives in peace while we pay the bill they left us.

posted by like_that

Two decades of neocons and neolibs own this massive failure of the century. It was a team effort between Republican and Democratic controlled governments. We spent $90B alone training the Afghanis and they folded within two weeks.  Sadly, nobody will be held accountable for this complete failure. Bush admin, Obama admin, Trump Admin, etc will get to live their lives in peace while we pay the bill they left us.

Not to mention the service members who gave their lives, and many who risked theirs, and those wounded who made a sacrifice for "keeping our freedom". Criminal. 

Anyone can argue the points that endless wars and occupation never claims a W, but history will write this chapter as a big L for the Dems and Biden.  Just on the mere fact that a bunch of goat herders took over a country we occupied in 2 weeks. 

He did it the wrong way.  

posted by Fletch

Anyone can argue the points that endless wars and occupation never claims a W, but history will write this chapter as a big L for the Dems and Biden.  Just on the mere fact that a bunch of goat herders took over a country we occupied in 2 weeks. 

He did it the wrong way.  

or he realized that there was no "right" way, just more American blood and money.

posted by queencitybuckeye

or he realized that there was no "right" way, just more American blood and money.

Biden is owned by Russia and China.  He pulled out of there for reasons we may never know.

posted by Fletch

Biden is owned by Russia and China.  He pulled out of there for reasons we may never know.

You realize your boy Trump was planning to pull out of Afghanistan?  Even set a date, I believe.

And Obama planned to, as well.  But he was ultimately too feckless.  Just like he was going to close Gitmo.

posted by Fletch

Biden is owned by Russia and China.  He pulled out of there for reasons we may never know.

There is little limit to how much you don't know.

We need Ptown to tell us more about the COIN strategey.

posted by queencitybuckeye

There is little limit to how much you don't know.

Between Afghanistan and the Russian oil pipeline, and let’s not forget the inability to investigate China and the virus….. I sound more right then you.  

posted by Fletch

Between Afghanistan and the Russian oil pipeline, and let’s not forget the inability to investigate China and the virus….. I sound more right then you.  

Sounds like someone's got a case of the sads because Pillow Guy's "reinstatement day" shit shockingly didn't work as planned!

biden isn’t golfing so it’s ok