posted by kizer permanente

Aww… don’t have Trumpy to impose tariffs to bail them out anymore? 

Did you not read the article? They are shutting down because power costs are too high to be competitive.

Not sure how “Trumpy tariffs” makes your argument look good.

If tariffs keep manufacturing here in the US why wouldn’t you be for that?

posted by jmog

Did you not read the article? They are shutting down because power costs are too high to be competitive.

Not sure how “Trumpy tariffs” makes your argument look good.

If tariffs keep manufacturing here in the US why wouldn’t you be for that?

Why would any capitalist be? U a commie? 

posted by kizer permanente

Aww… don’t have Trumpy to impose tariffs to bail them out anymore? 

Wow,  welcome to 2017.

posted by kizer permanente

Why would any capitalist be? U a commie? 

Our own (leftist) government purposefully makes our own energy too expensive to use.  If you stop right there and consider that, and its ripple effect on the economy and The People, you should easily discern how incredibly disturbing that is.  The sheer ignorance and/or arrogance of those leading us down this path is beyond measure.

posted by QuakerOats

Our own (leftist) government purposefully makes our own energy too expensive to use.  If you stop right there and consider that, and its ripple effect on the economy and The People, you should easily discern how incredibly disturbing that is.  The sheer ignorance and/or arrogance of those leading us down this path is beyond measure.

ahhh ok. 

posted by kizer permanente

Why would any capitalist be? U a commie? 

1. I am personally not a fan of tariffs.

2. I said IF tariffs kept jobs here why wouldn’t you be for them? It is still being studied if Trump’s tariffs on China and Mexico steel/aluminum did any good or harm.

3. Tariffs are not “communist”. One of the first laws passed by the US government after the Revolutionary war ended was the Tariff Act of 1789. It was made to protect US manufacturers and raise federal money. Until the early 1900s when income tax was created tariffs were about 95% of the federal revenue. 

Was the US communists until they started lowering their tariffs in the mid 1900s after WW2?

That’s bad even for you Kizer.

posted by jmog

1. I am personally not a fan of tariffs.

2. I said IF tariffs kept jobs here why wouldn’t you be for them? It is still being studied if Trump’s tariffs on China and Mexico steel/aluminum did any good or harm.

3. Tariffs are not “communist”. One of the first laws passed by the US government after the Revolutionary war ended was the Tariff Act of 1789. It was made to protect US manufacturers and raise federal money. Until the early 1900s when income tax was created tariffs were about 95% of the federal revenue. 

Was the US communists until they started lowering their tariffs in the mid 1900s after WW2?

That’s bad even for you Kizer.

It was obviously said in jest  no I don’t think you’re a communist lol 

It’s just a joke since tariff obviously aren’t a tenet of free market capitalism.

posted by kizer permanente

It was obviously said in jest  no I don’t think you’re a communist lol 

It’s just a joke since tariff obviously aren’t a tenet of free market capitalism.

What if one believes in free market capitalism for their country and not having free market trade around the whole world? One can have free market capitalism for their country and charge tariffs for imported goods.

That’s what the US did for the first 170+ years of its existence.

posted by jmog

What if one believes in free market capitalism for their country and not having free market trade around the whole world? One can have free market capitalism for their country and charge tariffs for imported goods.

That’s what the US did for the first 170+ years of its existence.

Then they’re not truly a free market capitalist? 

posted by kizer permanente

Then they’re not truly a free market capitalist? 

Then stop with the horrific, one-sided trade agreements that hamstrung the U.S. and caused the offshoring.  And at the same time, go tell China to lift their import taxes so there really is a level playing field.  You can't have it both ways. 

posted by kizer permanente

Then they’re not truly a free market capitalist? 

Yes, it is possible to be a capitalist for your country, nothing about capitalism says you have to trade freely with other countries. It’s about free markets in your own country.

posted by jmog

Yes, it is possible to be a capitalist for your country, nothing about capitalism says you have to trade freely with other countries. It’s about free markets in your own country.

The main tenet of Free Market is government staying out of it.  A tariff is the exact opposite of that.  

posted by kizer permanente

The main tenet of Free Market is government staying out of it.  A tariff is the exact opposite of that.  

Wouldn't need a tariff if real free trade existed globally. 

posted by kizer permanente

The main tenet of Free Market is government staying out of it.  A tariff is the exact opposite of that.  

Government staying out of inner country regulations, not extra country trading.

Inflation sends consumer sentiment down to record low

The University of Michigan's consumer sentiment index for June fell to 50.0, the lowest point on record. "Consumers across income, age, education, geographic region, political affiliation, stockholding and homeownership status all posted large declines," said survey director Joanne Hsu, adding: "47% of consumers blamed inflation for eroding their living standards, just one point shy of the all-time high last reached during the Great Recession."

Full Story: Yahoo (6/28)  

posted by QuakerOats

Inflation sends consumer sentiment down to record low

The University of Michigan's consumer sentiment index for June fell to 50.0, the lowest point on record. "Consumers across income, age, education, geographic region, political affiliation, stockholding and homeownership status all posted large declines," said survey director Joanne Hsu, adding: "47% of consumers blamed inflation for eroding their living standards, just one point shy of the all-time high last reached during the Great Recession."

Full Story: Yahoo (6/28)  

UM is a bastion of liberal / Marxist radicals.

Worst first half of the year in the market since 1970. 

Take care.

4Chan did a number on the Bidens with the hack of Hunters computer and phone.  

How is this man even the president at this point?

I thought integrity was on the ballot last time?

9.1% inflation. Highest in 40 years 👏.

posted by like_that

9.1% inflation. Highest in 40 years 👏.

Dude, you just have to get used to it!

posted by ernest_t_bass

Dude, you just have to get used to it!

Buy an electric car too.

Could always be worse I guess. My dad said they cut his wages 40% in 1981. Holy hell.

posted by Automatik

Could always be worse I guess. My dad said they cut is wages 40% in 1981. Holy hell.

His employer?

Redefine words and terms; a favorite pastime of leftists.

posted by QuakerOat
Redefine words and terms; a favorite pastime of leftists.

LOL, I guess sometimes "alternative facts" are convenient?

I'm not a politician, but it seems like they are stumbling to try to say we are already in a recovery.  Although I suppose that route carries some risk with it of a Q3 decline.