FOX news sending Tucker Carlson a cease and desist order is par for the course nowadays, isn't it?

Just caught some blurbs of Vivek Ramaswamy on The Breakfast Club. The best one is when the BC tried to do the usual thing of "America isn't all that great" and all kinds of other grievances and I thought he had a really good answer. He basically said that the pursuit of happiness and ideals is what makes the US the best country on the planet, he also reminded them that because we are humans we are always going to fall short and that "originally and never" are two different things. The BC didn't quite know how to feel about that and their inability to form a coherent rebuttal against that phrase was plain as day. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

Just caught some blurbs of Vivek Ramaswamy on The Breakfast Club. The best one is when the BC tried to do the usual thing of "America isn't all that great" and all kinds of other grievances and I thought he had a really good answer. He basically said that the pursuit of happiness and ideals is what makes the US the best country on the planet, he also reminded them that because we are humans we are always going to fall short and that "originally and never" are two different things. The BC didn't quite know how to feel about that and their inability to form a coherent rebuttal against that phrase was plain as day. 

I saw that, I am starting to like that guy from the few interviews I have seen.

He is pretty solid.

Random note: I played Ramaswamy in a local tennis qualifier in like 2001 or 2002. Let's just say that he was really, really good. 

...but no bagels!

So, apparently some coke was found in the WH. I'm sure that over the course of its existence that TONS of things arrived within it's walls that weren't allowed. Not only drugs, but alcohol during prohibition and even drinks like absinthe (not the stuff that passes for absinthe now) when it was banned. 
I can't find it within myself to care.

But my question is why is that even allowed to come out? Is there something else that's happened that's bigger and/or worse?

posted by CenterBHSFan

So, apparently some coke was found in the WH. I'm sure that over the course of its existence that TONS of things arrived within it's walls that weren't allowed. Not only drugs, but alcohol during prohibition and even drinks like absinthe (not the stuff that passes for absinthe now) when it was banned. 
I can't find it within myself to care.

But my question is why is that even allowed to come out? Is there something else that's happened that's bigger and/or worse?

They’re also pretending they can’t find who did it, as if cameras aren't there at all times. If this was trump the left would lose their shit. So funny. 

Heck, what's a little bit of illegal drug abuse in the WH when bribery, extortion, money-laundering and tax evasion are fair game .......plus a little nudity and debauchery on the front lawn. 

Change we can believe in.

GOP may have a bit of a problem....Literally all the leading candidates - Pence, Trump, Ramaswamy, Desantis, Haley - each have 20% of Republican voters saying they would never vote for them.

Granted, that's probably the primaries.  Almost all of them WILL vote for whomever wins the nomination.  But a few percent might not, and that will usually cost you the election.

They have to hope the Dems run Biden again.

Also, what do people think of a possible 3rd ticket of Machin/RFK?

RFK has some interesting observations.  I don't believe he's some nutjob conspiracy theorist, but the way he presents his views similar to a lawyer that sees liability & fault everywhere (gee, I wonder why he does that).  While I could agree it may be irresponsible, mainly because of the sycophantic "gotchya" press, RFK doesn't talk out of his ass.

Just citing a study doesn't make you right, and that study might not even be sound or repeatable.  But it's plainly obvious people are afraid to debate him directly because he's far more knowledgeable and informed.  That's why they just attack him as racist and try to censor him.

Fuck Manchin.

The bigger problem I see with the Republicans is Trump will be going to court in May 2024, he’s gonna light up his supporters which will probably win him the primary, but he has almost no chance in the general. 

Ramaswamy is a douche.  Don't try to do comedy when you're not funny.

DeSantis is sounding very good.  Nikki seems like the most professional. 

Pence is the bigger of the douches on stage.

At the end of this,  the ranking sill fall:

1.  DeSantis 

2. Haley

3.  Christie 

4.  Vivek 

The rest don’t matter after to ight

Christie is good, he just has no chance.  Vivek needs to finish his VP audition and drop out before any votes are cast.

I like Tim Scott.

They are all auditioning to be VP.  

Pence is penceing so hard

So I guess Pence isn’t pardoning Trump.

Boy Nikki really seems to care about ukraine

I've seen one yard sign so far and it was for Vivek, just a bit up the street from us. That douche is my top choice, as well.

LOL, non-Fox media just falling over themselves to bury Desantis, again.

He probably needed to be better, but he did pretty well.  Although, yeah, I caught the awkard forced smiles, as well.

I like DeSantis a lot, I just wish he had more charisma. The amount of hate he gets is laughable, likely because he's a Republican with an effective governing style that they don't want to see replicated.

I haven't watched the debate yet, I'll get around to it at some point.

posted by justincredible

I like DeSantis a lot, I just wish he had more charisma.

Problem is, one shouldn't try to fake charisma (cough cough Kamala cough cough).  Desantis should just be himself and stick with policy and his record, because it's really good.

One of the things that stood out was how absolutely empty Pence and Christie's answers were, Haley in many cases as well.  Just platitudes and politically speak and little substance.

And Vivek was an absolute clown.

posted by gut

Problem is, one shouldn't try to fake charisma (cough cough Kamala cough cough).  Desantis should just be himself and stick with policy and his record, because it's really good.

I don't disagree.

posted by gut

Problem is, one shouldn't try to fake charisma (cough cough Kamala cough cough).  Desantis should just be himself and stick with policy and his record, because it's really good.

One of the things that stood out was how absolutely empty Pence and Christie's answers were, Haley in many cases as well.  Just platitudes and politically speak and little substance.

And Vivek was an absolute clown.

I kind of liked Vivek until I actually did research on him and some of his stances. Nothing quite like a dude looking at how young voters tend to not lean R and coming to the decision that the best solution to that is to make it tougher for the 18-25 demo to actually vote (what was it...either serve in the military or take the same citizenship test that immigrants are supposed to in order to become Americans?). Also known as the coward's way out -- "No, the problem isn't that our policies aren't connecting with young people...it's that they CAN vote!!!"

posted by Heretic

I kind of liked Vivek until I actually did research on him and some of his stances. Nothing quite like a dude looking at how young voters tend to not lean R and coming to the decision that the best solution to that is to make it tougher for the 18-25 demo to actually vote (what was it...either serve in the military or take the same citizenship test that immigrants are supposed to in order to become Americans?). Also known as the coward's way out -- "No, the problem isn't that our policies aren't connecting with young people...it's that they CAN vote!!!"

But he did a good job of putting on Stephen Miller face to audition for VP

Seriously, though, the fact that he scored as well as he did tells you substance and ideas matter nil to many voters.