No charges filed in Mooney cigar champagne probe

• thavoice

  Our school has played mooney a couple of times. We had a policy that it was one strike and you are out rule. We had a kid, a two way starter, get underage while out of town before the season started. He could have skated by and not been in trouble but he and his parents informed the coach, and the kid was suspended for the season. The kid stuck it out all year and was a part of the team, but never got to play. It seemed harsh but I can tell you, by coaching these kids in other sports, that they were scared to death about getting booted so they kept their nose clean as soon as they signed their forms.
  
  
  
  As far as these kids saying they didnt smoke the cigar or drink the alcohol given to them? C'mon man. Reminds me of the BIll Clinton 'but I didnt inhale' line.
• fish82

  

  skank;1067659 wrote:There was no outrage because I didn't know about it. Feel free to fill me in.

  In fairness, it's been a few years. A crew of kids (including the QB and star WR) stole a deer target and put it in the middle of the road at night to "see what would happen." Another kid came up over the rise, swerved to miss the "deer" and flipped end over end 400 feet into a field. Both he and his passenger were maimed for life.
  
  The local judge sentenced them 60 days in juvie, but suspended the sentence until after football season. Instead of setting an example, Coach Mike chose to let them remain on the team for the season. The citizens of Kenton to this day, seem to think both actions were perfectly justified.
  
  For me, any cases of "player misconduct" are held against this one for comparison. I said on the earlier thread...we used to celebrate with Little Kings and Swisher Sweets "back in the day." Hence, I'm less than inclined to get jiggy over celebrating a state title with a cigar and a glass of bubbly.
• Abe Vigoda

  

  Dr. Nicholas Wolsonovich, Superintendent of Schools for the Catholic Diocese of Youngstown, said there was some second-guessing about the Diocese's decision to aggressively pursue the incident by asking for a police investigation.
  
  "Some felt we're making too much of this incident, asking, 'What's the big deal if a senior had a cigar or a sip of champagne?'" said Dr. Wolsonovich.

  My, My, My!
• Thinthickbigred

  thavoice;1067692 wrote:Our school has played mooney a couple of times. We had a policy that it was one strike and you are out rule. We had a kid, a two way starter, get underage while out of town before the season started. He could have skated by and not been in trouble but he and his parents informed the coach, and the kid was suspended for the season. The kid stuck it out all year and was a part of the team, but never got to play. It seemed harsh but I can tell you, by coaching these kids in other sports, that they were scared to death about getting booted so they kept their nose clean as soon as they signed their forms.
  
  
  
  As far as these kids saying they didnt smoke the cigar or drink the alcohol given to them? C'mon man. Reminds me of the BIll Clinton 'but I didnt inhale' line.

  Ive seen Reno bench star players for a year or never play guys that got in trouble . He had an IRON fist . He didnt take any anything from anybody and Ill tell you what Id have felt srry for those parents that supplied 25 bottles of booze and cigars to those kids if it wwere Big Red parents. this is why I cannot stand that pariah of a school . I know my team would have beaten the Mooney when I played and Im sad I didnt get to crush one of them guys believe me .. We donyt like that arrogance . Its disgusting and I cant wait till my team plays you again ..
• said_aouita

  

  "But they also confirmed some of the adults involved were not very forthcoming in their initial statements, but ultimately had a change of heart after investigators explained the seriousness of the situation."
  
  So funny how some of the Money fans were saying fruit spritzer and other lies.
  Oh well, those Catholics are damn forgiving of sins.
• said_aouita

  

  Thinthickbigred;1067976 wrote:I know my team would have beaten the Mooney when I played and Im sad I didnt get to crush one of them guys believe me .. We donyt like that arrogance . Its disgusting and I cant wait till my team plays you again ..

  Wow, that's a great oxymoron.
• skank

  

  fish82;1067729 wrote:In fairness, it's been a few years. A crew of kids (including the QB and star WR) stole a deer target and put it in the middle of the road at night to "see what would happen." Another kid came up over the rise, swerved to miss the "deer" and flipped end over end 400 feet into a field. Both he and his passenger were maimed for life.
  
  The local judge sentenced them 60 days in juvie, but suspended the sentence until after football season. Instead of setting an example, Coach Mike chose to let them remain on the team for the season. The citizens of Kenton to this day, seem to think both actions were perfectly justified.
  
  For me, any cases of "player misconduct" are held against this one for comparison. I said on the earlier thread...we used to celebrate with Little Kings and Swisher Sweets "back in the day." Hence, I'm less than inclined to get jiggy over celebrating a state title with a cigar and a glass of bubbly.

  
  
  As bad as that is, you tried to make it out like these kids were some kind of rapists or murderers. sounds like the judge is just as guilty as the coach. Look, I really have no problem with these kids celebrating their championship, but if this were a public school, the OHSAA would be all over this, let alone the police.
• sherm03

  

  skank;1068066 wrote:As bad as that is, you tried to make it out like these kids were some kind of rapists or murderers. sounds like the judge is just as guilty as the coach. Look, I really have no problem with these kids celebrating their championship, but if this were a public school, the OHSAA would be all over this, let alone the police.

  I call BS on that. You know the way you feel about Mooney and Ursuline? That's how just about everyone in Youngstown that doesn't have ties to Mooney and Ursuline feels about them. People would love to see Mooney or Ursuline get hammered on something like this. But clearly there wasn't enough for the police and prosecutor to press charges.
• skank

  

  sherm03;1068073 wrote:I call BS on that. You know the way you feel about Mooney and Ursuline? That's how just about everyone in Youngstown that doesn't have ties to Mooney and Ursuline feels about them. People would love to see Mooney or Ursuline get hammered on something like this. But clearly there wasn't enough for the police and prosecutor to press charges.

  
  
  No....Clearly there WAS, the police just choose not to pursue, let's not get confused here sherm, you're too smart for that.
• skank

  

  sherm03;1068073 wrote:I call BS on that. You know the way you feel about Mooney and Ursuline? That's how just about everyone in Youngstown that doesn't have ties to Mooney and Ursuline feels about them. People would love to see Mooney or Ursuline get hammered on something like this. But clearly there wasn't enough for the police and prosecutor to press charges.

  
  
  Why do you think that is?
• sherm03

  

  skank;1068113 wrote:Why do you think that is?

  Same reason you don't like them...jealousy.
• skank

  

  You're absolutely correct, I'm jealous. I wish the OHSAA turned a blind eye to PUBLIC schools getting kids from all over the world.
• Al Bundy

  skank;1068147 wrote:You're absolutely correct, I'm jealous. I wish the OHSAA turned a blind eye to PUBLIC schools getting kids from all over the world.

  Would inviting kids to come and workout from at least 4 different states qualify as "getting kids from all over the world"?
• genghis dong

  skank;1068147 wrote:You're absolutely correct, I'm jealous. I wish the OHSAA turned a blind eye to PUBLIC schools getting kids from all over the world.

  Didn't know Oregon was part of the Massillion school district?
• skank

  

  Al Bundy;1068193 wrote:Would inviting kids to come and workout from at least 4 different states qualify as "getting kids from all over the world"?

  
  
  I would imagine, but the OHSAA has no jurisdiction over Nike.
• skank

  

  genghis dong;1068334 wrote:Didn't know Oregon was part of the Massillion school district?

  
  
  Again, you'll have to take this fight up with Diebold.
• Al Bundy

  Skank, if private schools used corporate sponsers to bring in athletes, would you be ok with that? Or this yet another example of where you want one set of rules for Massillon and another set of rules for private schools?
• skank

  

  Al Bundy;1068383 wrote:Skank, if private schools used corporate sponsers to bring in athletes, would you be ok with that? Or this yet another example of where you want one set of rules for Massillon and another set of rules for private schools?

  
  
  Private schools don't need corporate sponsors to bring in athletes.
• skank

  

  This thread is about the rule breaking situation at Mooney, let's not try and deflect Bundy.
• Al Bundy

  skank;1068415 wrote:This thread is about the rule breaking situation at Mooney, let's not try and deflect Bundy.

  I was just responding to where you said you wish that OHSAA would turn a blind eye to public schools bringing from all over by pointing that Massillon currently brings in kids from a larger geographic region than any other school in Ohio.
• skank

  

  Al Bundy;1068451 wrote:I was just responding to where you said you wish that OHSAA would turn a blind eye to public schools bringing from all over by pointing that Massillon currently brings in kids from a larger geographic region than any other school in Ohio.

  
  
  WE don't have a transportation list with pickup times now do we?
• landshark0731

  skank;1068491 wrote:WE don't have a transportation list with pickup times now do we?

  You do in a way. Nike transports ( attracts ) all these kids to your facility for your "try-out" combine! By the way,for you to suggest the Ohsaa a governing body cannot have jurisdiction over Nike is absurd. Please forward me the written request from Massillon to the Ohsaa to not allow this combine, with the Ohsaa's response that they do not have control on what Nike does with their states scholastic athletes.
• fish82

  

  skank;1068491 wrote:WE don't have a transportation list with pickup times now do we?

  I don't know...do you? Or is there a booster or parent committee that handles carpool duty?
• sherm03

  

  skank;1068491 wrote:WE don't have a transportation list with pickup times now do we?

  Neither does Mooney...
• GoPens

  

  said_aouita;1068056 wrote:"But they also confirmed some of the adults involved were not very forthcoming in their initial statements, but ultimately had a change of heart after investigators explained the seriousness of the situation."
  
  So funny how some of the Money fans were saying fruit spritzer and other lies.
  Oh well, those Catholics are damn forgiving of sins.

  Just a typo or a pretty sly slam?? :rolleyes: