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Should this have been excessive celebration?

  • Mrs.Mustang
    I don't like any kind of celebrating,but it's become the norm even in high school.Geez,kids celebrate a tackle like they just won the Super bowl.I agree with the old adage;act like you've been there before.(and smile at your opponent the whole way to the sidelines):DThat really hurts
  • J-Dover
    SOAU....your dad must have really been a shitty UMP. Your attitude sucks....Bahaahaa....have a good day sir, I said have a good day....wannabe ump or ref or backdoor judge.
  • Sonofanump
    J-Dover;878780 wrote:SOAU....your dad must have really been a ****ty UMP. Your attitude sucks....Bahaahaa....have a good day sir, I said have a good day....wannabe ump or ref or backdoor judge.
    Weak.
  • bigkahuna
    Sonofanump;878786 wrote:Weak.
    What's weak is your arrogant attitude towards everything officiating related. You aren't the encyclopedia to officiating, and nobody needs you to ride in and give some BS explanation as to why the officials were right.

    As Cavs said, virtually EVERY HS team greets the scorer in the endzone and gives them a hug,high 5.... Typically the team concept is what DOESN'T get penalized.

    There was another report where a player knelt down, prayed, and was penalized for it.

    TD Celebrations are always going to be speculated and be left up to interpretation. In this instance, it was a bad interpretation.
  • Sonofanump
    bigkahuna;878840 wrote:What's weak is your arrogant attitude towards everything officiating related. You aren't the encyclopedia to officiating, and nobody needs you to ride in and give some BS explanation as to why the officials were right.


    What I see on this thread is incorrect assumptions based upon not knowing the rules or even who is on the field. So you have the exact knowledge of how far exactly players can take the celebration. Did I tell person on this thread that he/she is the moron; one for not knowing that there is only one ref, and two that the officials did not cost the kids the game the players did, no. Did I jump on the person who said that refs (in the possessive form) are out for revenge, no. Did I even bother to go after the OC's best grammar farce about what is a friggin joke, no. I laughed at Captain Cavalier comparing unsportmanlike conduct fouls to jaywalking, the comparison was truly amusing. I also replied back to J-Dover that his personal attack was weak. I was not the one that said that they were correct, Hank Z did.
    bigkahuna;878840 wrote:As Cavs said, virtually EVERY HS team greets the scorer in the endzone and gives them a hug,high 5.... Typically the team concept is what DOESN'T get penalized.
    Prolonged excessive team celebration like the one in the video? Interesting.

    bigkahuna;878840 wrote:TD Celebrations are always going to be speculated and be left up to interpretation. In this instance, it was a bad interpretation.


    That is your interpretation.
  • bigkahuna
    Sonofanump;878884 wrote:What I see on this thread is incorrect assumptions based upon not knowing the rules or even who is on the field. So you have the exact knowledge of how far exactly players can take the celebration. Did I tell person on this thread that he/she is the moron; one for not knowing that there is only one ref, and two that the officials did not cost the kids the game the players did, no. Did I jump on the person who said that refs (in the possessive form) are out for revenge, no. Did I even bother to go after the OC's best grammar farce about what is a friggin joke, no. I laughed at Captain Cavalier comparing unsportmanlike conduct fouls to jaywalking, the comparison was truly amusing. I also replied back to J-Dover that his personal attack was weak. I was not the one that said that they were correct, Hank Z did.
    1. Let's drill someone for calling the BJ/SJ.... a ref. Really? People use the term "ref" when referring to any official in virtually every sport besides baseball because they are all umpires. It's a pretty universal term.

    2. Cav's comparison isn't too far off base.

    3. I'm not saying that the point is/isn't excessive celebration. I'm disputing your stance that it could be flag worthy because 9 players were celebrating.

    Prolonged excessive team celebration like the one in the video? Interesting.
    Yes, I actually see it every week(-) the point to the sky. I've coached for 5 years now at all 3 levels of High School and see both my team and the opposing team celebrate in an almost identical manner. There has never been a flag thrown. The only time we've even gotten a warning is from the sidelines for jumping up and down onto the field.


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  • 1_beast
    Louisville AD speaks out....http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-louisville-football-player-penalized-athletic-director-responds-txt,0,6959603.story
  • sonofsam
    Grow a pair Mr. AD, these are kids that lost a friend. Defend them because they obviously defended their own teammate with nothing less than respect. Nothing was done wrong here and I hope that Wash fans object the call because it IS the right thing to do.
  • 1_beast
    How many kids jump up and high 5...or chest bump??? Both could be construed as excessive.

    Heck...reminds me of Oregon showing the "O" after they score...all good. Last years Buckeyes in throwback uni's ...show the "O" on their gloves...and get flagged????
  • riders1
    We had the call made on us last year when Max Pirman caught a pass was almost in the end zone and raised his hand into the air, scored and ran up field to his teamates , but was flagged for raising his hand. No other players were in the endzone to celebrate.
  • Thinthickbigred
    Wow that AD is weak....... Weak soo weak .... get behind your boys dummy not some overzealous ref
  • Sonofanump
    bigkahuna;878966 wrote:1. Let's drill someone for calling the BJ/SJ.... a ref. Really? People use the term "ref" when referring to any official in virtually every sport besides baseball because they are all umpires. It's a pretty universal term.

    2. Cav's comparison isn't too far off base.

    3. I'm not saying that the point is/isn't excessive celebration. I'm disputing your stance that it could be flag worthy because 9 players were celebrating.




    Yes, I actually see it every week(-) the point to the sky. I've coached for 5 years now at all 3 levels of High School and see both my team and the opposing team celebrate in an almost identical manner. There has never been a flag thrown. The only time we've even gotten a warning is from the sidelines for jumping up and down onto the field.
    1. Was this action plural or possessive? What I see on this thread is a collective bashing based upon incorrect assumptions. It was one official who threw the flag. Was he correct in the rule? Yes. Would I have throw the flag under similar circumstances? IDK.

    2. Disagree there.

    3. The nine persons alone does not draw a flag, the actions of the nine would.
  • Con_Alma
    What people may want isn't the same as what is.

    Don't celebrate. Don't celebrate in at all, "excessive" level or not.

    Do not make any indications at all until you get to the sidelines. It's that simple. If there's a concern about interpretations, take the judgement away from the ref. Make it as clear as jumping off sides.

    It can be done even with the emotion of the game and kids being young. It can be done and in fact is every weekend.
  • Thinthickbigred
    Con_Alma;879152 wrote:What people may want isn't the same as what is.

    Don't celebrate. Don't celebrate in at all, "excessive" level or not.

    Do not make any indications at all until you get to the sidelines. It's that simple. If there's a concern about interpretations, take the judgement away from the ref. Make it as clear as jumping off sides.

    It can be done even with the emotion of the game and kids being young. It can be done and in fact is every weekend.
    honestly.... you can probably take a rule and disern it anyway you want .. kind of like the society that we live in today .... too much court TV .. What the heck happened to good old fashioned common sense .... People are trying to read into every little single possibility ... the ref in this case was just way over zealous period plain and simple .. He messed up or he is dishonest ... guys like that ruin the game ... No helmet was taken off .. no taunting was going on .. the sidelines didnt come onto the field .. cmon .. .. COMMON SENSE PEOPLE
  • Thinthickbigred
    and BTW why take the fun out of the game .... stupid if you ask me ... I am not a person who likes the showboating that goes on in the NFL although some of it is funny .... If the kids are not taunting what the heck .. Its an emotional game .. ITS FUN ... You want to play chess or some kind of game like that fine Its just such a terrible call why isnt 100% people on board with that
  • Con_Alma
    The only ability the players have to completely avoid the penalty is to not celebrate. If they choose to make any non-football action recognition of their efforts they take the risk of the "over zealous" flag.

    Celebrations used to be acceptable to me and enjoyable to see. Because an increasing number of idiots choose to push the envelope there are going to be refs who push back maybe even farther to combat it.

    If the potential penalty isn't worth it don't do it, at all.
  • Con_Alma
    Thinthickbigred;879168 wrote:and BTW why take the fun out of the game ...
    The fun exists in the game with or without celebrations. The game was fun before celebrations and will continue to be fun if celebrations are completely eliminated.
  • Thinthickbigred
    Id also like to know if the catholic boys from Walsh did the same thing ,if the ref would have considered it excessive as well ...I see some boys from catholic schools doing things of that nature as well and with the crosses and all ... Maybe this nutball ref is just an atheist or an ACLU guy ....
    before you all get nuts im just half kidding but really
  • Thinthickbigred
    Con_Alma;879175 wrote:The fun exists in the game with or without celebrations. The game was fun before celebrations and will continue to be fun if celebrations are completely eliminated.
    Ofcourse I know the game is fun before celebrations ... Think about what your saying .. You would have no celebrations huh... look Im not down with some of the garbage you see on TV .. I never was a fan of Deon Sanders .. . When Walter Peyton scored he just handed the ball off to the ref .. I like that .. I would coach that to my players .. however you score a game winning TD and your going to celebrate the kids are going to yell the fans are going to yell the band is going to play .. Lets be reasonable here ... These teenage kids cheer on there college and pro teams everyweek .. 80,00 people fill the NFL stands and college games they all celebrate itas an emotional game its part of the game ... Celebrate with class YES... This celebration was not an offense and I do not want to take out the fun .. Especially for these young boys .... Its some of the greatest times of there lives let them ENJOY the frigging game .....SOME PEOPLE are not satisfied unless a dark cloud exists ... Brighten up and enjoy this beautiful sport enjoy life ...
  • Con_Alma
    Thinthickbigred;879181 wrote:... Think about what your saying .. You would have no celebrations huh... ...
    Where in the world did you read such a thing from me at??
  • Thinthickbigred
    Con_Alma;879175 wrote:The fun exists in the game with or without celebrations. The game was fun before celebrations and will continue to be fun if celebrations are completely eliminated.
    right here ... it reads like you would have the celebrations left out ... am I wrong
  • Con_Alma
    Indeed you are.

    That's a response to the question of why take the fun out of the game.

    Rephrased the answer would be that it doesn't necessarily take the fun out of the game.

    It doesn't state at all what I would or would not have exist in the game.
  • sportchampps
    what
  • 1_beast
    Whats next...In basketball...kid hits a buzzer beater(end of period or half, not game)...team goes crazy (celebrating)...ref gives a tech????

    kid hits homerun...celebration at the plate...kid gets ejected???

    How about the QB that throws that TD???? If he runs down the field signal TD with his hands in the air to greet his teammate in the endzone....excessive?

    TD scored...whole team holds their arms up...signaling TD....excessive???(because they shouldnt signal the TD... the Ref should)

    get a grip...they are KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Captain Cavalier
    1_beast;880138 wrote:Whats next...In basketball...kid hits a buzzer beater(end of period or half, not game)...team goes crazy (celebrating)...ref gives a tech????

    kid hits homerun...celebration at the plate...kid gets ejected???

    How about the QB that throws that TD???? If he runs down the field signal TD with his hands in the air to greet his teammate in the endzone....excessive?

    TD scored...whole team holds their arms up...signaling TD....excessive???(because they shouldnt signal the TD... the Ref should)

    get a grip...they are KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!
    Amen.

    "discretion is the better part of valor"