Parochial schools Make up 9%...

• GoPens

  

  1_beast;588241 wrote:Thats the schools that have to "suck it up" and "lift more" and "train harder"

  Recruit better????
• Thinthickbigred

  Delphosfan;588279 wrote:DSJ currently has no one playing college football. On this year's team we have one lineman offered from Buffalo. No one else has an offer.
  
  DSJ beat fellow MAC team Marion Local 17-13 on a last minute TD. Shadyside couldn't compete in the MAC.

  How would Steubenville fair?
• Prescott

  Is it fair to say that it is easier to recruit at the private schools, especially those in the larger cities?
• coyotes22

  

  sherm03;588176 wrote:Yes...private schools tend to do well in Divisions 4-6. The biggest ones that people are upset with would be Mooney (who has moved up to D3 now, but will probably be dropping to D4 again), Ursuline, DSJ, and Newark Catholic. Those 4 schools combined have 20 state championships in those 3 divisions. So yes...the private schools do very well in D4-D6. And on the surface, it would seem like there's a little bit of inequity there. That is, until you look at the other juggernaut of the divisions. Coldwater, Versailles, St. Henry, and Maria Stein Marion Local account for 17 state championships in D4-D6. Historically, public schools have won more state championships than privates in the small divisions.
  
  So as I've said before, go ahead and put in a multiplier. Screw over the private schools that hardly ever even sniff the playoffs like St. Thomas Aquinas, Purcell Marian, and Youngstown Christian. And then watch Coldwater, Versailles, St. Henry, and Maria Stein Marion Local win just about every state championship in the divisions.

  
  And they still dont have as many as Massillon.
• coyotes22

  

  Econometrics:
  
  Is the art of drawing a crooked line from an unproven assumption, to a forgone conclusion.
• ~U~

  9% = 83.3333%........Can I have those numbers when I play the Ohio Lottery?
• Cat Food Flambe'

  

  Facts? Neither of you characters would make out of your first actuarial science class.
  
  The core fact is that there is a potential for a private or open enrollment school to exercise a highly significant advantage of simply having a greater population from which to draw. Probably less than half do so, but in any case an identity-specific sample population isn't valid here.
• Thinthickbigred

  ^^^^^^ Speak english I cant understand what you just said....
• Dean Wormer

  coyotes22;588490 wrote:And they still dont have as many as Massillon.

  Massillon doesn't have any since the start of the playoffs. And they recruit better than any private school.
• sirclovis

  Sherm03 I seriously feel for ya. The fact that all these people are ignoring the FACTS you put out, are completely rediculous. Everyone is so upset over the private's success that they can't take a step back and focus on the cold hard facts. mvred had it right "The one game was decided by an XP, the other game was decided in the last minute.". Also, the DSJ game everyone is soooo uspet about blows my mind. DSJ is a small catholic school in a small town, enough said.
• Thinthickbigred

  ^^^^^^^ DSJ are you kidding me ....Shadyside is a small town Delphose has a big school in it named Jefferson ..I hear they also have a waiting list to get into that school ..so if thats true they can pick who they want ...ehh hemm I wonder who might get in ...some computer geeks .....LOL
• Al Bundy

  Thinthickbigred;589797 wrote:^^^^^^^ DSJ are you kidding me ....Shadyside is a small town Delphose has a big school in it named Jefferson ..I hear they also have a waiting list to get into that school ..so if thats true they can pick who they want ...ehh hemm I wonder who might get in ...some computer geeks .....LOL

  
  Jefferson is D5.
• sirclovis

  Thinthickbigred;589797 wrote:^^^^^^^ DSJ are you kidding me ....Shadyside is a small town Delphose has a big school in it named Jefferson ..I hear they also have a waiting list to get into that school ..so if thats true they can pick who they want ...ehh hemm I wonder who might get in ...some computer geeks .....LOL

  
  I know Jefferson is a BIG public school.. Oh wait isn't DV small? And I would love to hear some concrete proof that a DSJ player was recruited. DSJ is one of the truly special schools where you can go from preschool to highschool and still say you are apart of the same school. Is there anyway that THIS could be the reason why they are so good? Think about the comraderie and the brotherhood you form when the person you are playing beside has been with you since you were both small children. People always think that sheer talent wins games, a common misconception among the private haters. Thats why bashers think private schools just blatantly have more talent, because they think that the only way a football team can win is by the talent of their players.
• 1_beast

  

  sirclovis;589874 wrote: Think about the comraderie and the brotherhood you form when the person you are playing beside has been with you since you were both small children. .

  You Clowns dont think the MAJORITY of Publics operate under the same scenario? Friggin DUH. Try comprehending the most minute of details. So defensive that you have really spun the ball in a circle and now have yourselves confused as to what point you are trying to prove.
• Thinthickbigred

  sirclovis;589874 wrote:I know Jefferson is a BIG public school.. Oh wait isn't DV small? And I would love to hear some concrete proof that a DSJ player was recruited. DSJ is one of the truly special schools where you can go from preschool to highschool and still say you are apart of the same school. Is there anyway that THIS could be the reason why they are so good? Think about the comraderie and the brotherhood you form when the person you are playing beside has been with you since you were both small children. People always think that sheer talent wins games, a common misconception among the private haters. Thats why bashers think private schools just blatantly have more talent, because they think that the only way a football team can win is by the talent of their players.

  
  I dont doubt that many private schools are great ..My issue is with athletics especially football ...DSJ has a waiting list correct?.....My guess is they can also pick and choose people ...I watched that frigging game and Shadyside is a very good football team .. They were completely outmatched and that is just no coincidence.. I saw the size and speed difference also ..incredible .....I know that your private schools get boys in it for football because it is prestigiuos and it means alot of money it only makes sense...You guys have a free hand ..Its really the Ohio board that I have issue with ..Something needs corrected ...dont give me more smoke and mirrors pls
• Thinthickbigred

  @sirclovis ..You guys always try and play that we just have better commitment or coaching or teachers or this or that ..Fact is good public school systems have far better teachers and facilities and curriculum than 99% of private schools ..with the exception of a few that cost tons of money to go to or like Linsly WVA or other military schools that cant participate in playoffs anyway ..... sure some public school systems are poor ,but alot are far better equiped for the brightest kids to the kids with special needs and the teachers are paid far more than private schools..But you know what ..A private school job is usually cushy atleast easier than say a city school it is less challenging ...suburban doctors and lawyers kids .....or a mixed bag of kids ...hmmm I still like the public school system
• Con_Alma

  Thinthickbigred;590075 wrote: ..with the exception of a few that cost tons of money to go to or like Linsly WVA or other military schools that cant participate in playoffs anyway...

  Any publc school system that's worth a lick has an education cost per child that's very much in line with what the private institutions charge in Ohio.
  
  As a matter of fact even some of the crappy public schools have similar costs associated with them....just look at Cleveland Public Schools.
  
  Take the total expenditures of Steubenville public schools and divide by the nuber of students there. The cost per child won't be some great bargain.
• sirclovis

  Thinthickbigred;590075 wrote:@sirclovis ..You guys always try and play that we just have better commitment or coaching or teachers or this or that ..Fact is good public school systems have far better teachers and facilities and curriculum than 99% of private schools ..with the exception of a few that cost tons of money to go to or like Linsly WVA or other military schools that cant participate in playoffs anyway ..... sure some public school systems are poor ,but alot are far better equiped for the brightest kids to the kids with special needs and the teachers are paid far more than private schools..But you know what ..A private school job is usually cushy atleast easier than say a city school it is less challenging ...suburban doctors and lawyers kids .....or a mixed bag of kids ...hmmm I still like the public school system

  First off, I went to bishop hartley and to say that it is made up of kids of suburban doctors and lawyers is just plain ridiculous. Secondly, a family member of mine currently teaches and has taught at several of the public inner city schools in columbus and I would be unjust for saying that it is not a hard job. But to say that private school teachers don't work equally hard is ridiculous. They receive a HUGE paycut for not working in the public schoo system and in my observance of private school teachers, they are just as hard working and passionate as a public school teacher because they generally want to do it, regardless of pay. I can't believe that we got to this point but it is absurd that I have to defend private school teachers. Oh, and what about facilities?? What kind of argument are you trying to bring up?
• Con_Alma

  sirclovis;590090 wrote:... Oh, and what about facilities?? What kind of argument are you trying to bring up?

  I think he said the facilities at publics are better than privates giving them an advantage.
• Delphosfan

  Thinthickbigred;590066 wrote:I dont doubt that many private schools are great ..My issue is with athletics especially football ...DSJ has a waiting list correct?.....My guess is they can also pick and choose people ...I watched that frigging game and Shadyside is a very good football team .. They were completely outmatched and that is just no coincidence.. I saw the size and speed difference also ..incredible .....I know that your private schools get boys in it for football because it is prestigiuos and it means alot of money it only makes sense...You guys have a free hand ..Its really the Ohio board that I have issue with ..Something needs corrected ...dont give me more smoke and mirrors pls

  A waiting list??? Are you kidding? We had 600 in the high school in the 1960's. Now we're around 270. We'd LOVE to have a waiting list. Survival of the school is an every day worry.
  
  Shadyside would win one, maybe two games in the MAC. In fact I can't think of one local small school conference that they'd finish in the top three. They might be good for Reg. 23 but for NW/west central Ohio, they weren't very good.
• 1_beast

  

  keep on trucking St Johns...you broke the previous record of points in a game (76 that was shared by you and Columbus Academy)...looks like its par for the course for st johns to just pile it on. Outscoring opponents in the playoffs/championship by a combined total of 297-61. WOW...but those are all just corn fed homegrown boys that work harder, lift harder and have better coaching......SMOKE AND MIRRORS...LOL
• skank

  

  sirclovis;589752 wrote:Sherm03 I seriously feel for ya. The fact that all these people are ignoring the FACTS you put out, are completely rediculous. Everyone is so upset over the private's success that they can't take a step back and focus on the cold hard facts. mvred had it right "The one game was decided by an XP, the other game was decided in the last minute.". Also, the DSJ game everyone is soooo uspet about blows my mind. DSJ is a small catholic school in a small town, enough said.

  
  This?
• skank

  

  sirclovis;590090 wrote:First off, I went to bishop hartley and to say that it is made up of kids of suburban doctors and lawyers is just plain ridiculous. Secondly, a family member of mine currently teaches and has taught at several of the public inner city schools in columbus and I would be unjust for saying that it is not a hard job. But to say that private school teachers don't work equally hard is ridiculous. They receive a HUGE paycut for not working in the public schoo system and in my observance of private school teachers, they are just as hard working and passionate as a public school teacher because they generally want to do it, regardless of pay. I can't believe that we got to this point but it is absurd that I have to defend private school teachers. Oh, and what about facilities?? What kind of argument are you trying to bring up?

  
  Or this?
• Delphosfan

  1_beast;590227 wrote:keep on trucking St Johns...you broke the previous record of points in a game (76 that was shared by you and Columbus Academy)...looks like its par for the course for st johns to just pile it on. Outscoring opponents in the playoffs/championship by a combined total of 297-61. WOW...but those are all just corn fed homegrown boys that work harder, lift harder and have better coaching......SMOKE AND MIRRORS...LOL

  Actually we broke the Div VI record for points set by fellow MAC member Marion Local. They put back to back beatdowns on unbeaten Mogadore teams in 2000 and 2001 by scores of 54-0 and 63-7. MAC teams have won 11 of the 17 Div VI state titles.
• HSFootball#1Fan

  1_beast;587952 wrote:Seperate the playoffs....I bet you get FULL stadiums of hometown crowds and neighboring communities to watch the local boys playing equal talent. Let the privates start their own division....and dont let the door hit ya...where the Good Lord split ya...the bombing that DSJ and U U put on is enough to make anyone sick.

  
  Interesting enough, the Title game with 2 public schools had the lowest attendance of all 6 games...