4-15 Week 12: #1 Ironton vs. #4 Highland

• ohbuckeye1

  GoChiefs;554036 wrote:Oh yeah...that's right...they left because of travel, right? Gimme a break. They couldn't win, so they ran the first chance they got.

  You still don't have a clue, Travel was just a part of the reason. By the way Logan is the only SEOAL Team with a winning record against the Tigers in the last 5 years.
  
  Ironton vs
  
  Gallia Academy---4-1
  Jackson-----------4-1
  Portsmouth-------4-1
  Warren-----------2-0
  Marietta----------2-0
  Chillicothe--------3-2
  Zanesville--------1-1
  Logan-------------0-4
  
  OK enough on this subject since you can't comprehend the facts.........or even no them for that matter.
  
  
  Looking forward to coming to Chieftan Stadium to take on a really good Sparta Highland Team, hope for a good injury free game and safe travel to all of the fans going to the game. See everyone Friday night.
• GoChiefs

  

  Well of course you're going to make up excuses. It would look bad to admit "Hey, we couldn't win the league like we thought, so we are gonna just leave." Travel was the main reason everyone said I-town was leaving, yet, you still play most of the SEOAL teams. Hmmmmm. Go figure huh? Ironton didn't come in to the league looking to be 'competitive' in the SEOAL. They thought they would come in and WIN it. And that just simply didn't happen. At all. So, what better way then to just go independent again, right? Then blame it on the travel? Yet, what? 5 games are still over a 2 hour drive..some even closer to 3? And they STILL decide to play half of the SEOAL. If you wanted to play the SEOAL so bad, why not just stay in the league?
• Leonardo

  

  Calpreps.com projects Ironton to win, 31-8
• Alma_Parker

  Your post is funny. Confused, but funny in its own way. First, not sure who 'sunshine' might be, but it's not me. If it was your effort to be folksy and cute, try at least switching up a bit and not using it twice in one post; you must be able to think of something else, chief.
  
  As for 1927, of course we don't have to go back that far, but when you are part of a program which features long-term success rather than a few good years here and there, you tend to gravitate towards a longer term view. Lots of teams can put together a nice streak of wins based on the right kids coming along. Heck, a really strong class can make a winner out of you for three or four years (might explain Logan's recent run in the sun). But to sustain a long-term winning program requires different things from the coaches and from the fans, not just a handful of athletes.
  
  I know you want to focus on a flash of some good years and, in particular, the time when the Tigers were recovering from their misadventure without Coach Lutz and his staff. You can have that if you wish: if you wait long enough almost anything can happen! What's perhaps more instructive, though, is to examine a variety of time periods. So let's try neither your flash in the pan nor my original all-in view. Let's try last 10 games: Ironton 6 wins, Logan 4. Hmm, how about last 15 games: Ironton 10 wins, Logan 5. Hmm. Guess it's hard to find any other period aside from the brief pop you are so focused on. Again, programs that don't produce steadily do need these flashes to hang on to, so I can see your side. But let's not attempt to put Logan in the same category with Ironton. I mean, come on, Ironton has shut Logan out 12 times while Logan has never shut Ironton out. On the other end, Ironton has had more high-scoring games (I picked >27 points but you can pick basically any cutoff you want) 10 times, while Logan has had only 2. Slice and dice the data any way you wish, it comes up Tigers.
  
  As for your allergy to my pointing out that the Tigers continue to whup Logan while drawing from 1/3 of the kids, sorry to touch a nerve. Ironton does like to play above its head more than you are used to (using this year as an example Ironton played up by division twice as often as they played down, while Logan played down more than up!), so they show by example that they aren't afraid to play much bigger teams. They expect to win their fair share even when playing bigger schools from bigger towns. By definition, it should be a surprise when they win the majority of these games. Meanwhile, if they were playing schools with a third of the enrollment (like Logan is when they play Ironton) (and they don't do this), I don't think you'd see them crowing when they managed to put together a couple victories. I mean would you be impressed if Ironton were bragging about beating Portsmouth Notre Dame? Numbers are something to be proud of when you're playing up and winning; less-so when you're playing down and winning.
  
  Finally, on the league, I happen to understand that pretty well. If you notice, Ironton isn't in a league. They've been in and out of a couple different schemes during the Lutz era, both the SEOAL and the KY/WV/OH version of the OVC. Problem is that they could have outstanding regular season records and a lot of fun in both of those leagues and even got some good games, but neither had the broad schedule quality which would assure them that going even 10-0 would position them well in playoffs. I'm sure you've not experienced it, but going 9-1 or 10-0 and staying home for the playoffs because you're beating Logan and Jackson but then they are in a league where by definition the average record is 50/50 is frustrating. These days Ironton can go 8-2 and still land on top of their region, which let's them show their stuff on a state-wide basis, which is even more fun than beating Logan and Jackson and so forth 90% of the time for a few decades! Does any of this help you, moonshine?!
• ohbuckeye1

  ^^^^^^^^^^great post
  
  On to tonights game.........Stay focused on the game at hand and play our game tonight (Smashmouth Football) and may the best Team win
  
  GO TIGERS............
• Alma_Parker

  Amen that. ohbuckeye1, 50 carries for 400 yards and 5 passes for 100 to keep 'em honest. Ironton 33, Highland 10.
• 5ninja5

  ironton is about 2 get dey booties wooped
• GoChiefs

  

  Oh, where do I start? LOL
  

  Alma_Parker;554788 wrote:Your post is funny. Confused, but funny in its own way. First, not sure who 'sunshine' might be, but it's not me. If it was your effort to be folksy and cute, try at least switching up a bit and not using it twice in one post; you must be able to think of something else, chief.

  
  
  I'll remember that next time, princess. Thanks for the tip.
  

  Alma_Parker;554788 wrote:As for 1927, of course we don't have to go back that far, but when you are part of a program which features long-term success rather than a few good years here and there, you tend to gravitate towards a longer term view. Lots of teams can put together a nice streak of wins based on the right kids coming along. Heck, a really strong class can make a winner out of you for three or four years (might explain Logan's recent run in the sun). But to sustain a long-term winning program requires different things from the coaches and from the fans, not just a handful of athletes.
  
  I know you want to focus on a flash of some good years and, in particular, the time when the Tigers were recovering from their misadventure without Coach Lutz and his staff. You can have that if you wish: if you wait long enough almost anything can happen! What's perhaps more instructive, though, is to examine a variety of time periods. So let's try neither your flash in the pan nor my original all-in view. Let's try last 10 games: Ironton 6 wins, Logan 4. Hmm, how about last 15 games: Ironton 10 wins, Logan 5. Hmm. Guess it's hard to find any other period aside from the brief pop you are so focused on. Again, programs that don't produce steadily do need these flashes to hang on to, so I can see your side. But let's not attempt to put Logan in the same category with Ironton. I mean, come on, Ironton has shut Logan out 12 times while Logan has never shut Ironton out. On the other end, Ironton has had more high-scoring games (I picked >27 points but you can pick basically any cutoff you want) 10 times, while Logan has had only 2. Slice and dice the data any way you wish, it comes up Tigers.

  Now, although I do respect Ironton's tradition and history, which, they should be proud of, I just tend to focus on things during MY lifetime at least is all. If it didn't happen before I attended high school, I frankly don't care about it. That's all. And during that time, Logan has seen much success over Ironton. Say what you want, keep counting them numbers from 1792.
  
  By the way...you may want to recheck that! Logan has shut Ironton out!!!!....
  
  
  once. LOL
  

  Alma_Parker;554788 wrote:As for your allergy to my pointing out that the Tigers continue to whup Logan while drawing from 1/3 of the kids, sorry to touch a nerve. Ironton does like to play above its head more than you are used to (using this year as an example Ironton played up by division twice as often as they played down, while Logan played down more than up!), so they show by example that they aren't afraid to play much bigger teams. They expect to win their fair share even when playing bigger schools from bigger towns. By definition, it should be a surprise when they win the majority of these games. Meanwhile, if they were playing schools with a third of the enrollment (like Logan is when they play Ironton) (and they don't do this), I don't think you'd see them crowing when they managed to put together a couple victories. I mean would you be impressed if Ironton were bragging about beating Portsmouth Notre Dame? Numbers are something to be proud of when you're playing up and winning; less-so when you're playing down and winning.

  
  
  Wait, in order to 'continue to whup' Logan, wouldn't you have had to at least won in the last 10 years? Did you 'whup' Logan in the past? Yep. Sure did. No denying that. But do they continue to 'whup' Logan? Nope, Logan has done the 'whupping'. So you think Logan is 'afraid' to play up? Nah, sorry, it's all about the league there. Look at all their NON LEAGUE games. They play D1 schools. Logan isn't 'afraid' to play anyone if that's what you're suggesting. They don't have a choice but to play down when that's what most of the league consists of. Due to the location, if Logan wants to be in a league, they have no other option then to be in the SEOAL. Do I like that? Nah, not really. But it is what it is. Nobody else would take us in just b/c of where Logan is located.
  
  On the numbers, I'll just let my post above speak for itself. 'Numbers don't matter'...remember? We hear that all the time from Ironton folk. Now, when you are butt hurt because you haven't beat us anytime lately, then you want to throw the 'numbers' excuse out there. LOL Smh. Make up our minds! Which is it? Numbers matter? Or don't they?? Let's face it, anyone is going to toot there horn, even a D1 school, when they have success over a program like Ironton. Get over it.
  

  Alma_Parker;554788 wrote:Finally, on the league, I happen to understand that pretty well. If you notice, Ironton isn't in a league. They've been in and out of a couple different schemes during the Lutz era, both the SEOAL and the KY/WV/OH version of the OVC. Problem is that they could have outstanding regular season records and a lot of fun in both of those leagues and even got some good games, but neither had the broad schedule quality which would assure them that going even 10-0 would position them well in playoffs. I'm sure you've not experienced it, but going 9-1 or 10-0 and staying home for the playoffs because you're beating Logan and Jackson but then they are in a league where by definition the average record is 50/50 is frustrating. These days Ironton can go 8-2 and still land on top of their region, which let's them show their stuff on a state-wide basis, which is even more fun than beating Logan and Jackson and so forth 90% of the time for a few decades! Does any of this help you, moonshine?!

  Ahhh..more excuses for the ol' cut and run b/c we can't win. I love it! Maybe you haven't noticed lately, but yet, Logan's had a few good records the last few years, so we know what going 9-1 or 10-0 can do for you. And guess what? Logan went 10-0 last year, correct? And where did that land them? Second in tough region with a home playoff game. 2 years ago? 10-0 landed us 3rd in that very same region. How about 3 years ago? 9-1 also put us 3rd in the region once again. So there goes that excuse of 'quality of schedule'! Let's see, so we've had travel, quality of schedule. NEXT! I'm sure there are more excuses...err..reasons. Lets hear 'em, cupcake! (Figured I would throw that one in there so I didn't use princess twice, hope you feel better.) Face it, Ironton couldn't win the league every year like they thought they were going to, so what happened? Just like everyone predicted. They tucked their tails and went home!
• ohbuckeye1

  Way to come out focused Tigers..............
  
  Halftime
  
  Ironton---------31
  Highland--------0
• ohbuckeye1

  5ninja5;555028 wrote:ironton is about 2 get dey booties wooped

  It doesn't look like it this week.
  
  GO TIGERS.............
• ohbuckeye1

  FINAL
  
  Ironton-----43
  Highland----7
• GoChiefs

  

  Great job Tigers. Good luck next week against Bishop Hartley!
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Congrats Ironton. Repeat with Hartley!
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Alma_Parker;553489 wrote:Ironton's record against Bellaire is indeed one of their poorest... but it's not the case that they've never beaten them... turns out they are 3-6-1 (and none of the three wins are recent). For more info on Ironton's current team and history, see www.irontontonfootball.com

  Thanks for the headsup! I used to have their link several years ago, but have long since given it up for others. Yeah, those wins are definitely before my very poor memory
  
  BTW, were you at the last game in Athens? Helluva battle. One of my favorites of all time!
• Heretic

  

  Weird game last night. Complete defensive struggle in the first quarter...then Ironton found something that worked and just scorched Highland in the second to score 31 points. The first touchdown was gift-wrapped by a muffed punt to give them the ball around the 15, but the other three were all long runs where it seemed they scored as soon as they got the ball. It went from looking like a hard-fought, tightly-contested game to essentially being over in a 12-minute period.
• GoChiefs

  

  BUT..the real question is..were you able to make it to Pizza Crossing? Hope you enjoyed Chieftain Stadium!
• Heretic

  

  GoChiefs;556397 wrote:BUT..the real question is..were you able to make it to Pizza Crossing? Hope you enjoyed Chieftain Stadium!

  
  Yes I was. Good stuff. Had some before the game and saved some for Saturday's night's post-college football drunken munchies. And the stadium was really nice. Definitely better than one would expect when they think "rural small town facilities".