How much history will LeBron rewrite?
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SQ_Crazies
http://www.cavskingdom.com/2010/03/22/how-much-nba-history-will-lebron-james-rewrite-in-his-career/
Cool article. Crazy to think about. At the current pace, we're looking at the best that's ever played the game but there is still a lot to accomplish--longevity is a must to be the best ever.
Truly amazing, the guy is 25--awesome to see the most hyped athlete ever absolutely destroy the hype.The latest achievement came the in a game on March 19, 2010 when James became the youngest player in the NBA to reach 15,000 points in a career. Which should be no surprise considering he is the youngest player to reach every thousand point milestone from 1,000 to 15,000. If he can stay healthy and play long enough, might give him a shot at the most points scored in a Career for a NBA player.
Take a look at some of the other categories James is recognized as being the youngest player to achieve:
The youngest player to be named NBA Rookie Of The Year (age 19)
Youngest player to record a triple-double (age 20 years 20 days)
Youngest player to record 30 points in a game (age 18 years 334 days)
Youngest player to record 40 points in a game (age 19 years 88 days)
Youngest player to score 2,000 points in a career (2004-05)
Youngest player to average 30 points in a season (2005-06)
Youngest player to be awarded All-NBA Honors (2004-05)
Youngest player named to the All-NBA First Team (age 21 years 188 days)
Youngest player to win an All-Star game MVP (age 21 years 55 days)
Due to the fact that the NBA in 2006 introduced age requirement restrictions, Prospective high school players must now wait a year before entering the NBA, making these records more difficult to break.
James has also made many other achievements in his career so far which include:
One of only three player in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assist in their Rookie season
One of only five player in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assist in a season
One of only three players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assist in a season
One of only four players in NBA history to average at least 31 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assist
One of only two players in NBA history to average 27 points, 6 rebounds and 6 assist in five consecutive seasons
One of only two players in NBA history to post at least 2000 points, 500 rebounds and 500 assist in a season at least four times
One of only four players in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assist for their career
One of only three player in NBA history to average at least 40 points, 10 rebounds and 7 assist in a postseason series
One of only three players in NBA history to record a triple-double in their playoff debut
One of only two players in NBA history to win NBA Player Of The Month Award at least four time in a season
One of four players in NBA history to lead their team in all five major statistical categories
First player in NBA history to receive 2.5 Million NBA All-Star votes on 3 separate occasions
Second place all-time for consecutive 20 point games to start a playoff career with 19
Most consecutive points scored for a team in a playoff game with 25
On top of all these records in the NBA, James holds 49 Cleveland Cavaliers franchise records -
Glory Days
yeah most of those will never change since they cant come out of highschool anymore.
for some reason i never liked those kind of stats. its almost like they can just pick whatever numbers they want to make it sound better.SQ_Crazies wrote: One of only three player in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assist in their Rookie season
One of only five player in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assist in a season
One of only three players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assist in a season
One of only four players in NBA history to average at least 31 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assist
One of only two players in NBA history to average 27 points, 6 rebounds and 6 assist in five consecutive seasons
One of only two players in NBA history to post at least 2000 points, 500 rebounds and 500 assist in a season at least four times
One of only four players in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assist for their career
One of only three player in NBA history to average at least 40 points, 10 rebounds and 7 assist in a postseason series. -
Hb31187
He'll rewrite pretty much everything.
But IMO since they flipped the rule and no longer allow kids fresh outta HS into the league, they shouldnt go by "youngest to do this, or do that" They should go by how many games it took to get there -
Hb31187
But yeah some of those odd numbers are amazing...but haha whot he fuck kept track of those?
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Pick6
^^good point about the age thing for the future. But what it does is saying that he got their faster than all the others before him. -
jpake1
He's done some amazing things. However, I don't think he's absolutely destroyed the hype. I think he's right on par with the hype. He wasn't given the nickname The Chosen One in HS because people thought he'd be great. They gave it to him because they thought he'd be the greatest. I don't think many people sat there and debated what his numbers would look like in the NBA, but they sat there and told themselves he would be a freak of nature-- something we've NEVER seen before. As crazy as it sounds, I would say he hasn't lived up to the hype before I'd said he's destroyed it. I think some people expected him to have a ring by now, and that's the only downfall. Which isn't a big one when you're only 25. -
SQ_Crazies
Anyone who expected him to have a ring by now is stupid.
I get what you're saying, they're pretty much just there to give people some perspective. And they're pretty simple to keep track of, lol, you just compare the numbers at the end of the season--a database makes that very easy.Glory Days wrote: for some reason i never liked those kind of stats. its almost like they can just pick whatever numbers they want to make it sound better.
Plenty of people cite the number of games, that's still a relevant stat. But so is the youngest, just because the rule is changed now, it doesn't mean that it still isn't impressive. You can't just not consider it because they DID let people come straight into the league before. Again, just for perspective, he doesn't have anything sitting on his mantle for this. But he was the youngest--that could mean a lot for his career numbers in terms of just how much history he can rewrite.Hb31187 wrote: But IMO since they flipped the rule and no longer allow kids fresh outta HS into the league, they shouldnt go by "youngest to do this, or do that" They should go by how many games it took to get there -
Hb31187
I didnt say it wasnt impressive, simply that they should take into account that from now on all teh great players who come into the league have little to no chance of breaking those "youngest to" records. So theyll be unable to rewrite history by default
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SQ_Crazies
Take what into account? Number of games? They do....wtf are you talking about? Just because it wasn't posted in this article doesn't mean it isn't a stat that is kept track of...
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SQ_Crazies
And we're talking about how much history LeBron will rewrite--not if his records will ever be broken. That's a different discussion.
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Hb31187
They have records for "fewest games to X amount of points"? Never seen any, not that i doubt theyre out there
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Glory Days
i am no NBA history buff, but how many players that came out of highschool went to a team where he could start right away and get the playing time he did(not saying he didnt deserve it). for example, what would Kobe's numbers look like had he started from day one?
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se-alum
I'm not saying he is the greates, he obviously has a ways to go before he gets there, however, he is unlike anything we've EVER seen in the NBA.jpake1 wrote: He's done some amazing things. However, I don't think he's absolutely destroyed the hype. I think he's right on par with the hype. He wasn't given the nickname The Chosen One in HS because people thought he'd be great. They gave it to him because they thought he'd be the greatest. I don't think many people sat there and debated what his numbers would look like in the NBA, but they sat there and told themselves he would be a freak of nature-- something we've NEVER seen before. As crazy as it sounds, I would say he hasn't lived up to the hype before I'd said he's destroyed it. I think some people expected him to have a ring by now, and that's the only downfall. Which isn't a big one when you're only 25. -
Nate
Not as impressive. Kobe was not nearly as NBA ready as Lebron was at 18. That's what makes Lebron such a freak compared to Kobe.Glory Days wrote: i am no NBA history buff, but how many players that came out of highschool went to a team where he could start right away and get the playing time he did(not saying he didnt deserve it). for example, what would Kobe's numbers look like had he started from day one? -
SQ_Crazies
They are stats they can be looked up--not every stat is put right on the surface for you by ESPN.Hb31187 wrote: They have records for "fewest games to X amount of points"? Never seen any, not that i doubt theyre out there -
Nate
O RLY? Y NOT?SQ_Crazies wrote:
They are stats they can be looked up--not every stat is put right on the surface for you by ESPN.Hb31187 wrote: They have records for "fewest games to X amount of points"? Never seen any, not that i doubt theyre out there
Kidding. Amazing people don't know that there is more to sports info than ESPN. -
Hb31187
I know theres more to sports info than ESPN, just never went and searched for this specific stat....
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SQ_Crazies
Number of games is always in the discussion when they're talking about the GOAT--some people think that Kareem's points aren't as impressive because he played in 1560 games, compared to Jordan's 1072. Jordan averaged 6 more PPG for his career--which is why regardless of his top mark as far as points, most don't consider Kareem the best scorer ever.
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lhslep134
To be honest, I think that's the way every "youngest" record should be, I mean it's nice and all when you entered the league at age 18, but I'm much more impressed by who is the "first" to do it instead.Hb31187 wrote: They should go by how many games it took to get there -
SQ_Crazies
Are you kidding me?
LMFAO, you guys are retarded. -
Pick6
^^Got to love the know-it-alls who are always right and think they would never lose a game coaching the Nets and should be on ESPN.
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Hb31187
How is thinking you should judge based on games to get to X amount of points retarded? It evens the playing field. Maybe its just the usual, disagreeing with SQ=Retarded
For example Id bet that Allen Iverson got to 2000 pts in a career quicker in the number of games as compared to LBJ. -
SQ_Crazies
No, you're retarded because you've turned this discussion into pure stupidity. They have stats based on number of games. They keep track of games played right? They keep track of points right? They keep track of assists right? Use your fucking brain. This discussion we're having now has ZERO to do with the topic and it's just dumb--just because the guy didn't use those stats in his article doesn't mean they aren't out there or equally relevant.
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Hb31187
The discussion we're having now about "Youngest to records" has nothign to do with the original topic? In which the first grouping of records is all "youngest to"? I get hes the youngest to do all of that, but those records are fucking retarded and flawed now that theyre virtually impossible to break. So he basically has them by default now...amazing feat
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SQ_Crazies
LOL why are you ignoring all of the players that came straight into the league BEFORE the rule was in place? A hell of a list of players--and he's bettered them all, so I'd say it isn't that retarded or flawed. Don't shoot the fucking messenger, like I said, that's just what the guy put in the article. You don't have to take any of those stats seriously, throw them all out if you want--the original question is still very valid.