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Azubuike24

2nd highest active OPS (Trout)
2nd highest AVG (Cabrera)
Highest OBP (blows the field away)
6th highest SLG (Trout, Stanton, Cabrera, Pujols, Braun)
Won an MVP, finished second, top 10 5 times, likely to be top 3 this year

He's likely not going to hit 500 homers or get 3000 hits, but it's probably fair to say that Trout, Harper, Pujols and Cabrera from this era are all going to easily make the Hall of Fame.

He and Ryan Braun are probably in the same discussion.

SportsAndLady

Yes

Classyposter58

If he played for Detroit I'd probably say yes. Huge hit to his resume IMO

Spock

The HOF isn't anything special any more. You get IF you are a better player in your era. It didn't used to be that way. You only got in if you actually held up in different eras.

ernest_t_bass

Classyposter58;1858260 wrote:If he played for Detroit I'd probably say yes. Huge hit to his resume IMO

Jesus Herbert Christ

Laley23

Maybe MLB. Not likely the college HOF, cause he skipped it for pro ball.

Azubuike24

Haha, can someone move to pro sports?

like_that

Spock;1858263 wrote:The HOF isn't anything special any more. You get IF you are a better player in your era. It didn't used to be that way. You only got in if you actually held up in different eras.

Please tell us more about the history of the HOF.

Laley23

Azubuike24;1858284 wrote:Haha, can someone move to pro sports?

Done.

Sonofanump

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Hal Trosky (887.1)
Chick Hafey (867.8) *
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Dmitri Young (855.4)
Wally Berger (853.5)
Hack Wilson (850.0) *
Jeff Heath (849.1)

* - Signifies Hall of Famer

Ironman92

Just gotta finish out his career. He'll need some counting stats but they won't have to be the standard 3,000 hits 500 HR ....but he has to have enough longevity to get near 400 HR and 2500 hits.

Well on his way but ZERO postseason achievements and is the worst base running offensive star ever and his defense is bleh

Azubuike24

May go down as the best pure overall hitter of the era, but yes, one-dimensional and kind of an ass.

justincredible

Joey's skills will age pretty well. I think he gets in barring major injury.

Commander of Awesome

No. Doubt people outside of Cincinnati would even consider him.

justincredible

Commander of Awesome;1858340 wrote:No. Doubt people outside of Cincinnati would even consider him.

Would you change your answer if he wins another MVP and/or a championship?

Commander of Awesome

justincredible;1858341 wrote:Would you change your answer if he wins another MVP and/or a championship?

Would definitely have to consider it. If he got another Lou Marsh award he's a lock.

like_that

As it stands right now? I will have to say no. We need to see his career play out, before having this discussion. Comparing him to Cabrera and Pujols is quite the reach though. He is nowhere near as good as those two.

Also factor in the baseball HOF is petty as fuck and correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't Votto made some journalists butt hurt for rubbing them the wrong way?

Laley23

How many MVPs aren't in the HOF? I'm sure it's pretty high, but just curious. I doubt many multiple MVP winners are on the outside, however.

like_that

Laley23;1858364 wrote:How many MVPs aren't in the HOF? I'm sure it's pretty high, but just curious. I doubt many multiple MVP winners are on the outside, however.

Decent amount on this list, although some aren't eligible yet and some should be in (i.e. barry bonds).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_Most_Valuable_Player_Award

justincredible

Laley23;1858364 wrote:How many MVPs aren't in the HOF? I'm sure it's pretty high, but just curious. I doubt many multiple MVP winners are on the outside, however.

Multiple MVPs not in the HOF (and eligible):

Roger Maris
Dale Murphy
Juan Gonzalez
Barry Bonds

Did I miss anyone?

Pujols is a lock. Miguel Cabrera is a lock. Trout is pretty much a lock and he's only in his 6th full season. ARod should be a lock, we'll see what the voters think. Bonds should definitely be in. A case could be made for both Gonzalez and Murphy.

Laley23

Bonds really doesn't even count lol. Gonzalez would be very close as well, sans steriods.

Maris doesn't really have a case. Too short of a career and only a few great.

I could see Vottos power numbers ending up similar it's Murphy...who I think should probably be in.

Azubuike24

He doesn't have the power of Pujols or Cabrera and Votto probably finishes around like 350-400 HR's, but as a pure hitter, he's possibly the best overall in the era when you consider his eye, walks, power, average, slugging, etc.

Not many .310+/.420+ players who did it for 15 years are not in the HOF. In fact, I'd ask for someone to find one in the modern era who isn't suspected of PED's. All the guys mentioned earlier, Murphy, Gonzalez, they don't touch Votto as an overall hitter. They simply hit more homers.

Averages almost 1 walk per 5 plate appearances. Almost unheard of today. Barry Bonds was just under 1 BB for every 5 PA and that includes his insane BB seasons.

Ironman92

Laley23;1858382 wrote:Bonds really doesn't even count lol. Gonzalez would be very close as well, sans steriods.

Maris doesn't really have a case. Too short of a career and only a few great.

I could see Vottos power numbers ending up similar it's Murphy...who I think should probably be in.

Murphy was great defensive OF and very good base runner as well. Career went downhill quickly....

Votto right now is 4 years older than Paul Goldschmidt....Goldschmidt on his career path minus about 3 seasons of stats. As Votto continues on and ages I think he needs to stay ahead of Goldschmidts career too.

Joey has mastered the art of getting on base....many many times it has been with pitchers simply pitching around him with 2 outs and sub stellar players behind him....often with runners on also. I know getting on base is the most important part of scoring runs but in a game where the average player reaches base 1/3 of the time....stringing together enough of those to score is often tough...especially with 2 outs and/or no one on....the fact that he is a terrible base runner and clogs them up adds some more to this thought.

No way to know but would love to go back in his career with RISP and see outcomes with his abilities and him being aggressive to drive in runs knowing crap was hitting behind him.....Miguel Cabrera/Manny Ramirez like...not Vlad like.

justincredible

Good company:

Azubuike24

Commander of Awesome;1858340 wrote:No. Doubt people outside of Cincinnati would even consider him.

Edgar Martinez is going to get in. How does he get in and Votto doesn't?

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