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  • pkebker
    ^^^ won't have much of an impact...
  • OhioStatePride2003
    pkebker wrote: ^^^ won't have much of an impact...
    Not saying he will, or he won't - but I think he showed too much potential in his early years, not to think that he could make an impact.
  • OneBuckeye
    Saw yesterday where holmgren retracted the no way ,mccoy starts this year statement. He said if he's the guy he's the guy.
  • fiver
    OneBuckeye, here is the link to that.


    Cleveland Browns President Mike Holmgren clarifies on QB Colt McCoy, "if he's the guy, he plays''

    By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
    May 07, 2010, 10:14AM

    CLEVELAND -- Cleveland Browns President Mike Holmgren clarified remarks he made on draft day about rookie quarterback Colt McCoy not playing in 2010 in an appearance on ESPN2's Mike and Mike in the Morning today. The showed aired live from Progressive Field

    "I said, 'perfectly he shouldn't play his first year,''' Holmgren said. "But heck, if he's the guy, he plays.'

    Browns coach Eric Mangini also did not completely rule out McCoy for 2010 during rookie camp when he said he learned long ago from Ted Marchibroda to "never say never and never say always. You don't know.''

    Both agreed that the plan is still the same: to let McCoy watch how it's done in 2010. But both also know that anything can happen.

    Holmgren said conditions have to be pretty ideal for a quarterback to win as a rookie.

    "It's not the best thing for a quarterback unless you're a (Jets Mark) Sanchez or a (Ravens Joe) Flacco who has a great defense, a power running game and you don't ask quite as much of those guys their first year,'' he said.

    He re-iterated that he thinks Jake Delhomme will rebound from his poor 2009 season.

    "He had a horrible year last year by his own admission and I understand why, I believe, and I think he'll be fine, Holmgren said. "In fact, I think he'll help our team because he's a great leader.''
  • OhioStatePride2003
    OneBuckeye wrote: Saw yesterday where holmgren retracted the no way ,mccoy starts this year statement. He said if he's the guy he's the guy.
    I read that as well. However, I also read where the Cleveland brass doesn't forsee Colt McCoy being anything more than a career NFL back-up, and they'll go after one of the coveted QBs in next year's draft. The article basically made it sound like they drafted Colt when they did to "ease" the minds of Cleveland fans. I personally could care less if we drafted Colt this year or not, and if it meant us drafting him this year or a Jake Locker, Andrew Luck, etc. next year - I'd rather wait 'til next year. Locker appears to be everything an NFL QB has to be to be sucessful in the NFL. He even runs a 4.5 40. Who knows.
  • mucalum49
    OhioStatePride2003 wrote:
    OneBuckeye wrote: Saw yesterday where holmgren retracted the no way ,mccoy starts this year statement. He said if he's the guy he's the guy.
    I read that as well. However, I also read where the Cleveland brass doesn't forsee Colt McCoy being anything more than a career NFL back-up, and they'll go after one of the coveted QBs in next year's draft. The article basically made it sound like they drafted Colt when they did to "ease" the minds of Cleveland fans. I personally could care less if we drafted Colt this year or not, and if it meant us drafting him this year or a Jake Locker, Andrew Luck, etc. next year - I'd rather wait 'til next year. Locker appears to be everything an NFL QB has to be to be sucessful in the NFL. He even runs a 4.5 40. Who knows.
    Too early to talk about the 2011 draft but I'd rather have Luck than Locker if we were in the market for another QB. Based on raw talent Locker is the favorite in a land slide. Based on play last year I would take Luck. If Steve Sarkisian develops Locker over the offseason I think that he could be scary good. If he gets his completion percentage up and throw less INT's than previous years I think he'll be the #1 pick.
  • KR1245
    I like Luck more than Locker as well. I was at the Stanford v ND game last season and came away really impressed with that kid. He didnt have to throw the ball that much because Gerhart was running all over them but when he did he looked impressive. I'm not a scout but he appears to have a very strong arm. I think he completed like 70% of his passes that day as well. Locker is Tebow with a better arm/throwing motion. I'd be happy with either one. Lets hope that Colt works out and we dont have to worry about it
  • royal_k
    I don't really believe the Brown's drafted McCoy to ease the feelings of the fans. They knew the QB position needed to be addressed in the draft this year if possible. Colt slid to round 3, and was there when we picked. It was a no brainer. They really had nothing to lose taking him there, and everything to gain. If he turns out to be a good QB, it's a great pick. If he turns out to be a bust, they don't look bad picking him where they did. Like was said above, let's hope he's good.
  • Writerbuckeye
    I want a link to this brainiac who said they only drafted McCoy to ease the fears of the fans.

    BULLSHIT.

    This front office does not make its decisions based on the feelings of the fans. Period.

    Honestly, this sounds like something off BleacherReport, where any yahoo can spew an opinion based on a bunch of nothing.

    Holmgren took McCoy in the third because it was a low risk, very high reward gamble. He sees talent in the young man and, who knows? Maybe he'll develop and become a solid, every down NFL QB. It was a gamble well worth taking and had NOTHING to do with the fans.
  • miller45452003
    Writerbuckeye wrote: I want a link to this brainiac who said they only drafted McCoy to ease the fears of the fans.

    BULLSHIT.

    This front office does not make its decisions based on the feelings of the fans. Period.

    Honestly, this sounds like something off BleacherReport, where any yahoo can spew an opinion based on a bunch of nothing.

    Holmgren took McCoy in the third because it was a low risk, very high reward gamble. He sees talent in the young man and, who knows? Maybe he'll develop and become a solid, every down NFL QB. It was a gamble well worth taking and had NOTHING to do with the fans.
    Agree...especially in the 3rd round!!
  • royal_k
    Some interesting thoughts on the first rookie minicamp.

    http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2010/05/terry_plutos_talkin_about_mini.html
  • pkebker
    pretty sure he meant Kyle Wilson, not Kyle Lewis...
  • OhioStatePride2003
    Writerbuckeye wrote: I want a link to this brainiac who said they only drafted McCoy to ease the fears of the fans.

    BULLSHIT.

    This front office does not make its decisions based on the feelings of the fans. Period.

    Honestly, this sounds like something off BleacherReport, where any yahoo can spew an opinion based on a bunch of nothing.

    Holmgren took McCoy in the third because it was a low risk, very high reward gamble. He sees talent in the young man and, who knows? Maybe he'll develop and become a solid, every down NFL QB. It was a gamble well worth taking and had NOTHING to do with the fans.
    http://browns.football-news-update.com/colt-mccoy-is-he-the-cleveland-browns-long-term-backup/

    In the short term, the choice of McCoy reversed the perception of the direction of the Browns draft, and made Mike Holmgren a popular figure in the minds of the Cleveland Browns fans.

    There ya' go bud...wasn't me that said it, it was someone that gets paid to be stupid.
  • royal_k
    It may have been a popular pick for the fans, but he didn't get picked for this reason.
  • OhioStatePride2003
    I'm not saying that is why, I said the article made it sound that way. Holy hell people.
  • pkebker
    What's the next big date for Browns football?
  • royal_k
    OhioStatePride2003 wrote: I'm not saying that is why, I said the article made it sound that way. Holy hell people.
    Sorry dude...I didn't mean you. I was insinuating the writer was wrong if he thought McCoy was picked just to please the fans.
  • Sonofanump
    pkebker wrote: What's the next big date for Browns football?
    I think practice starts next monday.
  • Al Capone
    pkebker wrote: What's the next big date for Browns football?
    The rookies and free agents take a bus ride to Pittsburgh on May 17 to look at the Superbowl Trophys since no one in Ohio has any. hahaha
    I just wonder if any of them can count to 6. hahaha
  • Shook_12
    Al Capone wrote:
    pkebker wrote: What's the next big date for Browns football?
    The rookies and free agents take a bus ride to Pittsburgh on May 17 to look at the Superbowl Trophys since no one in Ohio has any. hahaha
    I just wonder if any of them can count to 6. hahaha
    haha they probably cant ha you fucking maggot. get a life.
  • OhioStatePride2003
    Al Capone wrote:
    pkebker wrote: What's the next big date for Browns football?
    The rookies and free agents take a bus ride to Pittsburgh on May 17 to look at the Superbowl Trophys since no one in Ohio has any. hahaha
    I just wonder if any of them can count to 6. hahaha
    Aren't you leaving the site? Did I read that somewhere? I hope not, as I assume you're a douchebag on and off of this site. At least with the site you can express yourself in all your douchebag ways, where as you probably can't get anyone to talk to you outside of this site, due to all the douchiness that you bring to life.
  • jmog
    Al Capone wrote:
    pkebker wrote: What's the next big date for Browns football?
    The rookies and free agents take a bus ride to Pittsburgh on May 17 to look at the Superbowl Trophys since no one in Ohio has any. hahaha
    I just wonder if any of them can count to 6. hahaha
    The sad thing is that you actually thought that was funny.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the "rivalry" and enjoy the banter back and forth (as I do with UofM and OSU). I have some family members that are Pittspuke fans and the rest of us smart ones are Browns fans.

    We make fun of each other all the time during football season, but even with all that, there's no way you could have really thought that line was a good one, a funny one, or a witty one. It was just plain retarded.
  • Nate
    Capone is just trash. He is the new NCF. I can stand NCF now.
  • Writerbuckeye
    OhioStatePride2003 wrote:
    Writerbuckeye wrote: I want a link to this brainiac who said they only drafted McCoy to ease the fears of the fans.

    BULLSHIT.

    This front office does not make its decisions based on the feelings of the fans. Period.

    Honestly, this sounds like something off BleacherReport, where any yahoo can spew an opinion based on a bunch of nothing.

    Holmgren took McCoy in the third because it was a low risk, very high reward gamble. He sees talent in the young man and, who knows? Maybe he'll develop and become a solid, every down NFL QB. It was a gamble well worth taking and had NOTHING to do with the fans.
    http://browns.football-news-update.com/colt-mccoy-is-he-the-cleveland-browns-long-term-backup/

    In the short term, the choice of McCoy reversed the perception of the direction of the Browns draft, and made Mike Holmgren a popular figure in the minds of the Cleveland Browns fans.

    There ya' go bud...wasn't me that said it, it was someone that gets paid to be stupid.
    That's a REPORTER's words, not those of Holmgren or anyone else in the organization. Pure speculation on the part of the WRITER, an nobody else. I love it when the guys who follow the team think they can get inside the heads of the front office personnel.

    Just report what they actually SAY, please. I don't need your psycho-babble to go along with it.
  • pkebker
    http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2010/05/coach_eric_mangini_likes_senec.html