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Most Important Factor to winning football game

  • Sonofanump
    Me?;1529750 wrote:Turnovers. I bet if you found someone to break it down and do some pretty insane research, turnovers would win going away.
    See post #17.
  • Me?
    Sonofanump;1529799 wrote:See post #17.
    So where are the stats for all of the other potential variables?
  • Fly4Fun
    Another vote for turnover differential.
  • BR1986FB
    Lawrence Vickers...can't win without old Larry Vickers....just ask Browns' fans.
  • said_aouita
    thavoice;1529062 wrote:On offense, it is the play of the OL. Plain and simple. Always has been. Good OL play gets you time to pass, opens holes for the run and then the next thing you know the whole offensive playbook is wide open.
    It is becoming a passing league and the run pretty much is being set up by the pass and spreading out teams.

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    ^ wut im thinkin

    It all begins with the O-line. If the O-line plays well the chances are the entire offense will too.
  • like_that
    BR1986FB;1530024 wrote:Lawrence Vickers...can't win without old Larry Vickers....just ask COA.

    FIFY
  • Commander of Awesome
    like_that;1530046 wrote:FIFY
    ZOMG, are you stalking me? that's just creepy man! /crynasty (since we're bringing up old shit)
  • BR1986FB
    Commander of Awesome;1530103 wrote:ZOMG, are you stalking me? that's just creepy man! /crynasty (since we're bringing up old shit)
    That wasn't directed at you. In fact, if you were a Vickers honk, I don't remember it. I was referring to a ton of the fanbase, in general. You'd swear he were God to some.
  • Commander of Awesome
    BR1986FB;1530113 wrote:That wasn't directed at you. In fact, if you were a Vickers honk, I don't remember it. I was referring to a ton of the fanbase, in general. You'd swear he were God to some.
    I was referring to like_that's FIFY comment. I definitely liked Vickers though. Brought toughness and attitude to the offense.
  • BR1986FB
    Commander of Awesome;1530122 wrote:I was referring to like_that's FIFY comment.
    I know. Just didn't want you to think I was singling you out after he called you out on it. :D
  • steubbigred
    Ironman92;1528748 wrote:Besides points scored or any other smart ass reply.

    Running game
    Turnover differential
    O-line play
    D-Line play
    athletic skill positions
    QB play
    Offensive play calling
    Field position

    Other?

    I think in today's game it's pressure on the QB as most all teams pass a ton and few QB's do much of anything when the defense is running him around, getting hits and sacks on him.

    The O-line can keep the QB safe AND be great at run blocking....so that could outweigh I guess

    Turnover differential seems huge but often comes from the defensive pressure on the QB.

    Almost every QB looks pretty good when they have time.
    In high school it would be talent level and team size mainly . Coaching staff is the most important factor when teams are evenly matched talent wise. College and pro level it's line play. If you have a great O line it will make an average QB a pro bowler in the NFL . Alabama and the SEC teams have superior lines and that is why they are so powerful.
  • like_that
    steubbigred;1530180 wrote:In high school it would be talent level and team size mainly . Coaching staff is the most important factor when teams are evenly matched talent wise. College and pro level it's line play. If you have a great O line it will make an average QB a pro bowler in the NFL . Alabama and the SEC teams have superior lines and that is why they are so powerful.
    Completely false. Browns had one of the best past blocking units in the NFL last year (they actually look pretty damn good without weeden playing now), and weeden sure as hell wasn't pro bowl caliber.
  • Ironman92
    like_that;1530184 wrote:Completely false. Browns had one of the best past blocking units in the NFL last year (they actually look pretty damn good without weeden playing now), and weeden sure as hell wasn't pro bowl caliber.
    But was he an average QB?
  • Me?
    There is no way in hell it's the line. Minnesota has had a good line for years. It took 2,000 from Peterson and a QB who wasn't a pedestrian to make the playoffs. Give me a Pro Bowl line, with Brandon Weeden and his group of horrid skill players and I guarantee they're awful.
  • BR1986FB
    I'm an O-Line pimp but I don't think that's the end all, be all. Aaron Rodgers has proven that time & time again. So has Roethlisberger, to a certain extent. It all starts & ends with the franchise QB. The days of winning Super Bowls with Trent Dilfer (or Alex Smith ;) ) are few & far between.

    A decisive QB with a quick release can cover O-Line "blemishes." Peyton Manning never had stellar O-Lines in Indy but his release was so quick it didn't matter most of the time.
  • Laley23
    Oline is just not it. Peyton in INDY had horrible lines. They could run for shit, and passing he made them look good. He goes, and Painter is sacked more than anyone. Luck comes in and while not Peyton good off the bat stops taking sacks with his ability presnap etc.
  • thavoice
    BR1986FB;1530319 wrote:I'm an O-Line pimp but I don't think that's the end all, be all. Aaron Rodgers has proven that time & time again. So has Roethlisberger, to a certain extent. It all starts & ends with the franchise QB. The days of winning Super Bowls with Trent Dilfer (or Alex Smith ;) ) are few & far between.

    A decisive QB with a quick release can cover O-Line "blemishes." Peyton Manning never had stellar O-Lines in Indy but his release was so quick it didn't matter most of the time.
    I believe that mostly because the game has shifted from running first to throwing it all over the field.

    in 2008 and half of 2009 turnover battle:
    -4 or less turnover margin: 0% -3 turnover margin: 17.44%
    -2 turnover margin: 21.95%
    -1 turnover margin: 28.36%
    Even Turnover margin: 50% (of course)
    +1 turnover margin: 71.64%
    +2 turnover margin: 78.05%
    +3 turnover margin: 82.56%
    +4 or more turnover margin: 100%
  • BR1986FB
    thavoice;1530523 wrote:I believe that mostly because the game has shifted from running first to throwing it all over the field.

    in 2008 and half of 2009 turnover battle:
    -4 or less turnover margin: 0% -3 turnover margin: 17.44%
    -2 turnover margin: 21.95%
    -1 turnover margin: 28.36%
    Even Turnover margin: 50% (of course)
    +1 turnover margin: 71.64%
    +2 turnover margin: 78.05%
    +3 turnover margin: 82.56%
    +4 or more turnover margin: 100%
    Which is what I'm implying. If you look at recent previous Super Bowl winning QB's, they were either elite or caught lightning in a bottle (Joe Crappo from Baltimore).

    I think we'll be pretty hard pressed to see any "run the ball/play lights out defense/have a game manager QB" type teams (this years' Chiefs) win it any time soon.
  • thavoice
    BR1986FB;1530535 wrote:Which is what I'm implying. If you look at recent previous Super Bowl winning QB's, they were either elite or caught lightning in a bottle (Joe Crappo from Baltimore).

    I think we'll be pretty hard pressed to see any "run the ball/play lights out defense/have a game manager QB" type teams (this years' Chiefs) win it any time soon.
    As we are both foes of the Ravens we have to be happy that Flacco had a great run in the playoffs to "earn" that 100+ million deal! That will handcuff them like BR's in PIttsburgh for years to come.

    How did they win? Defense, and Flacco not turning the ball over which plays right into the TO differential.
  • Rotinaj
    Laley23;1530512 wrote:Oline is just not it. Peyton in INDY had horrible lines. They could run for shit, and passing he made them look good. He goes, and Painter is sacked more than anyone. Luck comes in and while not Peyton good off the bat stops taking sacks with his ability presnap etc.
    They couldn't of been too bad at run blocking considering Edge was one of the best backs in the league for a while.
  • thavoice
    Rotinaj;1530540 wrote:They couldn't of been too bad at run blocking considering Edge was one of the best backs in the league for a while.
    and I have had this discussion wtih laly before about the colts OL during much of PM's career. I watched them a great deal and PM rarely would get even any pressure let alone sack. From 2003-2011 the most he was sacked was 21 times, and most of those years it was in the mid teens which is like once a game.

    Yeah...his quick release, cognitive ability at the line to read what is coming helped but I dont care who you are, if you pass as much as he does you SHOULD get sacked alot more than he did no matter how great he is. I watched them enough to see the time he would get to throw the ball alot. I dont buy it that his line was terrible for a long time.
  • Laley23
    Rotinaj;1530540 wrote:They couldn't of been too bad at run blocking considering Edge was one of the best backs in the league for a while.
    Early years they were great. Borderline HOFers in Tarik Glenn and Jeff Saturday as well as good guard play from Ryan Diem. It went to shit when the Guards left cause no money was around to pay the lineman and Glenn got old...then retired.
  • Ironman92
    Still going with pressure on the QB....it makes the best look terribke
  • Sonofanump
    Turnovers: Denver 4 plus a possession safety, Seattle 0.
  • se-alum
    Ironman92;1575609 wrote:Still going with pressure on the QB....it makes the best look terribke
    It's all about the trenches. That's why I've always advocated building teams from the inside out.