Reds @ Cards Game 2

• Rotinaj

  

  Stop losing to the fucking cardinals you assholes. Holy fucking shit.
• mhs95_06

  Phillips with a brain cramp on that potential DP ball.
• SportsAndLady

  

  SportsAndLady;1492163 wrote:Choo hits what will turn out to be an irrelevant solo HR with no real substance.

  Predictable
• mhs95_06

  Reds figure to fare worse against the cards next week in Cincy. Cards top 20 players are better than the Reds top 20 players, but with that series being in September when both teams call up more players, the superiority of the Cards 21-35 players over the Reds 21-35 is very much more.
• mhs95_06

  Reds hitters swing at first pitches because Dusty wants them to, and when they do they haven't an idea what they are doing and just flail away. Cards hitters swing at first pitches when they are where they are looking for them with a plan where to hit them.
  
  With runners in scoring position, Reds flail trying to get extra base hits for multiple RBI in their hit. Cards try for singles and just get the runners in that are in scoring position and let the next guy get the other RBI.
• mhs95_06

  Latos has rightfully got to be fuming. Not only does he pitch wonderfully, but he gets two hits, the 2nd one with two on and two out, and they get no runs, and don't even let the next hitter hit as the Reds run themselves out of the inning, then Choo who would have been up with the bases loaded, but had to wait until the next inning homers to lead-off the next inning.
  
  Then in Latos' last inning, a guy tries to give an out on the sacrifice and Votto calls off Latos who was in the best position to make the throw, and Latos gives way to Votto who is going away from the direction of the throw, and he throws late, getting no out on the bunt play. That costs Latos staying in the game(maybe), and sends him to the bench with a very bad taste in his mouth.
• thavoice

  Azubuike24;1491766 wrote:On a team who is "going all in" to try to win a title, he's not good enough. Not if Arroyo is also on the staff. They are long-term, over an entire season producers. Put the Reds up against STL, LAD or DET in a 7-game series and the opponent has the advantage in every head to head pitching match-up except for when Latos goes. And even against Kershaw, Wainwright and Scherzer, he's not as good.
  
  It's that simple. People have disagreed and said "Leake and Arroyo are so consistent, innings-eaters, blah, blah, blah." It's meaningless when it's a one and done format. That's been my point all along. Not that I want Leake to get destroyed.
  
  I kept harping on Leake before when everyone cited his "ERA" as why he was good, when EVERY peripheral stat showed he was the worst on the staff. WHIP, BAA, K/9, BB/9, WAR, etc...all had him equal or below everyone else, yet his ERA was low. He was LUCKY. Sure, he's been clutch, he's a bulldog who's learning how to get out of situations, but he was overachieving. Not sure how anyone can disagree...the numbers back it up.

  The arroyo's and Leake's of the world are important parts of a rotation throughout the long haul of a season. When it comes down to the postseason though you really do prefer power pitchers. Guys such as Cueto, Latos, Leake, and to an extent even a Bailey who can miss spots and still get guys out because of their velocity. When finesse guys like BA and ML are not hitting their spots they are screwed, but power pitchers can get away with more. That is why you usually usually see closers as power guys. Greg Maddux, my fav non power pitcher ever, didn't fare too well come the postseason. There are non power pitchers who have done well, no doubt, but as a whole I want a power guy in the postseason. BA's career is winding down and it has been a good one. He and ML are like the good ole reliable car you drive to work every day. They do their jobs, nothing fancy, and go on their way, but when you want to e noticed, and on a mission ya go with your hot rod, i.e. power pitcher
• Azubuike24

  

  thavoice;1492433 wrote:The arroyo's and Leake's of the world are important parts of a rotation throughout the long haul of a season. When it comes down to the postseason though you really do prefer power pitchers. Guys such as Cueto, Latos, Leake, and to an extent even a Bailey who can miss spots and still get guys out because of their velocity. When finesse guys like BA and ML are not hitting their spots they are screwed, but power pitchers can get away with more. That is why you usually usually see closers as power guys. Greg Maddux, my fav non power pitcher ever, didn't fare too well come the postseason. There are non power pitchers who have done well, no doubt, but as a whole I want a power guy in the postseason. BA's career is winding down and it has been a good one. He and ML are like the good ole reliable car you drive to work every day. They do their jobs, nothing fancy, and go on their way, but when you want to e noticed, and on a mission ya go with your hot rod, i.e. power pitcher

  Well said. Tactfully stated, unlike how I normally come off stating it in the game threads
• mhs95_06

  thavoice;1492433 wrote:The arroyo's and Leake's of the world are important parts of a rotation throughout the long haul of a season. When it comes down to the postseason though you really do prefer power pitchers. Guys such as Cueto, Latos, Leake, and to an extent even a Bailey who can miss spots and still get guys out because of their velocity. When finesse guys like BA and ML are not hitting their spots they are screwed, but power pitchers can get away with more. That is why you usually usually see closers as power guys. Greg Maddux, my fav non power pitcher ever, didn't fare too well come the postseason. There are non power pitchers who have done well, no doubt, but as a whole I want a power guy in the postseason. BA's career is winding down and it has been a good one. He and ML are like the good ole reliable car you drive to work every day. They do their jobs, nothing fancy, and go on their way, but when you want to e noticed, and on a mission ya go with your hot rod, i.e. power pitcher

  Also, guys like Leake and Arroyo rely on the opposing hitters trying for long balls to be the most effective, hitting more for themselves than the good of the team. When it comes to key regular season games, and especially in the playoffs, those hitters back off that mentality and make it much tougher for the finesse pitchers, but they can't make it that much tougher for the power pitchers.
• thavoice

  mhs95_06;1492685 wrote:Also, guys like Leake and Arroyo rely on the opposing hitters trying for long balls to be the most effective, hitting more for themselves than the good of the team. When it comes to key regular season games, and especially in the playoffs, those hitters back off that mentality and make it much tougher for the finesse pitchers, but they can't make it that much tougher for the power pitchers.

  Good point. Another thing I think that happens is during the long drawn out season the good finesse guys like ML, BA, Maddux, etc. lull hitters a bit. Hitters maybe fall into that trap of being out thought during the grind..almost like they just give in to a point. In the postseason when each pitch is more magnified I think there is a renewed focus on the hitters and they don't fall into that trap. Also..come the postseason many times the weather starts to get a bit colder. Messes with the various grips and negatively impacts the movement for the finesse guys