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  • Ironman92
    Laley23;1456341 wrote:As I typed that I actually was thinking after the roids era that 600 is the new 500. I think Olney said something similar to that in his voting mind a few years ago.

    If he can stick around for 600 it will be hard to keep him out.....he'll retire one day out of nowhere.
  • wes_mantooth
    Way off subject, but is Jaime Moyer a hall of famer? Lol...I don't feel like looking it up, but stat wise....he has to be up there.

    Also, Albert has 0 chance of getting in. Dominant but not for long enough and the media hates him
  • SportsAndLady
    wes_mantooth;1456356 wrote:Way off subject, but is Jaime Moyer a hall of famer? Lol...I don't feel like looking it up, but stat wise....he has to be up there.
    If there was a "Senior PGA Tour" of MLB, he'd be a HOFer lol
  • like_that
    wes_mantooth;1456356 wrote: Also, Albert has 0 chance of getting in. Dominant but not for long enough and the media hates him
    Yup, hate him so much that they didn't give him the MVP award despite beating Mo Vaughn in every statistical category while playing for the best team in baseball. Complete fucking joke, and another reason why I hate journalists. Just a bunch of butt hurt bitches with clouded judgement. Kinda like fly4fun as a mod.
  • wes_mantooth
    like_that;1456376 wrote:Yup, hate him so much that they didn't give him the MVP award despite beating Mo Vaughn in every statistical category while playing for the best team in baseball. Complete fucking joke, and another reason why I hate journalists. Just a bunch of butt hurt bitches with clouded judgement. Kinda like fly4fun as a mod.

    Seems like the old timers of baseball journalism are the worst of the worst
  • Laley23
    Ironman92;1456342 wrote:Ok....gonna give you two guys that fit this criteria I think, to me one was dominant and put up JUST enough numbers to get in and the other was also dominant but I think he didn't do enough and will never make it.

    Vladimir Guerrero
    Albert Belle

    I think you have to have the milestone locks, dominant for closer to a decade, dominant with some longevity or incredible longevity with very good (Craig Biggio, some may say Andre Dawson, Palmeiro had he not got caught, Don Sutton, Gaylord Perry, Phil Niekro....Ozzie and Omar can be thrown in here with less offense)
    I guess we could clarify and say Top 5 for 5/6 years or Top 10 for a decade...

    Cause I agree, Albert didnt do enough. I also would say he was dominant for all those year, yet finished top 10 in MVP...wouldnnt have guessed that.
  • Ironman92
    SportsAndLady;1456359 wrote:If there was a "Senior PGA Tour" of MLB, he'd be a HOFer lol

    He's in there with Charlie Hough, Jim Kaat, Rusty Staub and Julio Franco
  • like_that
    wes_mantooth;1456385 wrote:Seems like the old timers of baseball journalism are the worst of the worst
    The fact Rickey Henderson wasn't a unanimous decision proves that.
  • Ironman92
    like_that;1456401 wrote:The fact Rickey Henderson wasn't a unanimous decision proves that.

    And numerous others....fuck the old farts.

    Uh....Hank Aaron....no
    .........Willie Mays....nah
    ........Stan Musial....meh
    .......Lou fuckin Gehrig....ho hum

    ......Greg Maddux....add him to the list
  • like_that
    Ironman92;1456408 wrote:And numerous others....fuck the old farts.

    Uh....Hank Aaron....no
    .........Willie Mays....nah
    ........Stan Musial....meh
    .......Lou fuckin Gehrig....ho hum

    ......Greg Maddux....add him to the list
    I just looked at Maddux's stats and awards. I forgot how sick he was.
  • like_that
    When is maddux up for eligibility?
  • Azubuike24
    Meant to post this here, not that other thread.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO-GRE8df5s - Running hills

    http://mlb.mlb.com/fancave/video.jsp...id=mUfY_ukF0p_ - Pulling the sled

    While this isn't extreme, I'd venture that most baseball players don't train line BP.
  • wildcats20
    like_that;1456418 wrote:When is maddux up for eligibility?

    Last played in 2008. So next year's class?
  • Ironman92
    like_that;1456415 wrote:I just looked at Maddux's stats and awards. I forgot how sick he was.

    The strike of 94 and 95....those years were just silly

    But he would be a guy that if he wasn't quite CY material those 4 years....his very good/longevity of 18? Straight 15+ wins, 16? GG, only missed 2 or 3 starts in 19 years?
  • like_that
    Ironman92;1456424 wrote:The strike of 94 and 95....those years were just silly

    But he would be a guy that if he wasn't quite CY material those 4 years....his very good/longevity of 18? Straight 15+ wins, 16? GG, only missed 2 or 3 starts in 19 years?
    18 gold gloves.
  • Ironman92
    Azubuike24;1456419 wrote:Meant to post this here, not that other thread.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO-GRE8df5s - Running hills

    http://mlb.mlb.com/fancave/video.jsp...id=mUfY_ukF0p_ - Pulling the sled

    While this isn't extreme, I'd venture that most baseball players don't train line BP.

    If they do they don't video and post it.
  • Ironman92
    like_that;1456425 wrote:18 gold gloves.

    I swear the guy could've been a hockey goalie.
  • Azubuike24
    Why's that? Training videos are some of the most popular on YouTube...
  • Ironman92
    Azubuike24;1456419 wrote:Meant to post this here, not that other thread.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO-GRE8df5s - Running hills

    http://mlb.mlb.com/fancave/video.jsp...id=mUfY_ukF0p_ - Pulling the sled

    While this isn't extreme, I'd venture that most baseball players don't train line BP.

    I know Tim Duncan has some monster hill set up that he trains on and Walter Payton used to do brutal stuff on hills.

    Those damn broad jumps up the hill would destroy your ass....those impressed me.
  • Ironman92
    Azubuike24;1456430 wrote:Why's that? Training videos are some of the most popular on YouTube...

    Ok....I've never you tubed training videos, are there a lot of professional athletes doing this (I honestly don't know, but would be surprised)

    Sadly I follow Byron Mullens on twitter and I cringe when he puts his workout calories burned total twitter pic...but they are impressive 1400-1500 calories burned and those are some killer totals.

  • se-alum
    Laley23;1456312 wrote:You have to hit a milestone, or be dominant for a long stretch (5ish years). BP has done neither.

    Milestones would be 10 GG, 3k hits, 500HR, 1500 RBI.

    Dominant would be someone who is top 10 in MVP for like 5 years out of 6. Pujols, A-Rod, Miggy...those guys can retire today and be in the HOF.

    Very few 2B in the Hall have reached those numbers. Different expectations for different positions.
  • se-alum
    I think Jerry Rice is probably most famous for his workouts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SWqvYPl3Kg
  • sportswizuhrd
    I think the most important stat that BP should worry about is what his W.A.R is.

    :)