One And Done

• Classyposter58

  

  Wonder what you all think about this? Personally I have no problem with it and in fact love it. Because of it college basketball has gotten to see great guys like Durant and Davis, if these guys get hurt like Nerlens at least they have a free education to fall back on as well. Also why shouldn't the NBA do this? We all apply for jobs and those have certain requirements. Why can't the NBA have job requirements as well? All they ask is for you to be at least a year removed from high school which seems pretty reasonable to me
• Laley23

  

  You want this here or college basketball? i cant tell whose angle you are gearing the thread more towards. College bball or NBA?
• like_that

  

  Laley23;1388648 wrote:You want this hear or college basketball? i cant tell whose angle you are gearing the thread more towards. College bball or NBA?

  I can't hear a thing.
  
  LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
• Laley23

  

  like_that;1388655 wrote:I can't hear a thing.
  
  LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  STFU, you big gay wrestler lol.
• Azubuike24

  

  I've changed my tune on this greatly.
  
  My sister's significant other has a brother who is a very prominent college football player. All-American caliber, for a elite program. The stories I've heard about what really goes on as a college athlete makes me really wonder what these kids get out of the deal.
  
  Cite the "free education" all you want. The value of that alone, is not enough to compensate the good or better players in the revenue sports. I'm not at all for paying players a salary, it would be impossible to regulate and would ruin college sports as it is. However, things are skewed so much in one direction, something has to be done.
  
  One of the big issues that seems to come up is the University using the player's "persona" and "gear" to make money. Not just jersey sales, media publications, etc. Using their image and name to indirectly benefit. Fund raisers, sponsorships, etc...without their permission. The player I'm referring to above has been told on two different occasions that a car dealership was using his information and game-worn items in a commercial...and the first alert he got from it was when the commercial aired on TV. Another time, things were taken directly from his locker and used in an auction raise money for something in another sport.
  
  This stuff certainly isn't necessarily bad, but it's really a shame that the same player can't take his own jersey, gear, signature and other items to make money for himself. He doesn't even get a small cut when the school does it.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Laley23;1388658 wrote:STFU, you big gay wrestler lol.

  Personal attack
• OSH

  

  No problems with the rule.
  
  Every sport has some kind of ruling in it. So if people complain about the "one and done" in the NBA, they should complain about the NFL, MLB, and MLS rules of professional eligibility.
• Tiernan

  Its asinine...the true "one & doners" don't attend class on a regular basis or get involved in campus activities anyway so who are they fooling "posing" as college students for 9 mos.? These punks grew up as Thuggers and they may as well go join their homies in the NGBA* as soon as possible.
  
  *National Gangbangers Association
• sleeper

  

  I like the baseball system the best. You either go right into the draft from high school or you have to be in college at least 3 years.
• wildcats20

  

  I don't understand how people can say it's not fair. Companies have their own requirements for a job. If you don't meet those, you won't get hired.
  
  The NBA is a company. Their rule is you must be 1 year removed from high school to be employed by them. Why is that unfair?
• sleeper

  

  wildcats20;1389707 wrote:I don't understand how people can say it's not fair. Companies have their own requirements for a job. If you don't meet those, you won't get hired.
  
  The NBA is a company. Their rule is you must be 1 year removed from high school to be employed by them. Why is that unfair?

  Because you can't discriminate based on age which is exactly what they are doing.
• Iliketurtles

  

  sleeper;1389708 wrote:Because you can't discriminate based on age which is exactly what they are doing.

  How is is discriminating against someone's age? You can graduate high school at any age. Having the requirement be you must have graduated high school over a year(NBA) or 3 years (NFL) before entering the draft is no different then saying you must have a bachelor's degree to obtain this job.
  
  Althought I will agree with your first point that baseball has the best system. Enter the draft after high school or go to college for 3 years seems liek the best thing for all parties involved.
• Fly4Fun

  

  sleeper;1389704 wrote:I like the baseball system the best. You either go right into the draft from high school or you have to be in college at least 3 years.

  Baseball is a bit different as there is the minor leagues where people can play and continue to develop. But then again, the NBA does have the D-league.
  
  I do think the 1 and done is a joke though. You can take as many cupcake classes as you want your fall semester (unless the school has certain requirements for freshman to take). It's a complete mockery of the system and actually an advantage the 1 and done guys have over the guys sticking around for 3-4 years. They can come in pretend to care, not really put in any effort and focus on basketball. While the people who actually plan on sticking around have to work a lot harder academically.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  Fly4Fun;1389730 wrote:Baseball is a bit different as there is the minor leagues where people can play and continue to develop. But then again, the NBA does have the D-league.
  
  I do think the 1 and done is a joke though. You can take as many cupcake classes as you want your fall semester (unless the school has certain requirements for freshman to take). It's a complete mockery of the system and actually an advantage the 1 and done guys have over the guys sticking around for 3-4 years. They can come in pretend to care, not really put in any effort and focus on basketball. While the people who actually plan on sticking around have to work a lot harder academically.

  
  How often do stars come out of the D League?
• Fly4Fun

  

  ernest_t_bass;1389737 wrote:How often do stars come out of the D League?

  I doubt very often if at all (any NBA All-Stars start their career in the D-League?). It's more for role players. I was think thinking out loud when comparing the minor league system with the D-league. They don't truly operate in the same way.
• queencitybuckeye

  sleeper;1389708 wrote:Because you can't discriminate based on age which is exactly what they are doing.

  Age discrimination against anyone younger than 40 is perfectly legal under federal law.
• sleeper

  

  queencitybuckeye;1389748 wrote:Age discrimination against anyone younger than 40 is perfectly legal under federal law.

  Pretty sad isn't it? Just another gift for the boomers who have run this country into the ground.
• queencitybuckeye

  sleeper;1389752 wrote:Pretty sad isn't it? Just another gift for the boomers who have run this country into the ground.

  It's been the law far longer than the boomers being the beneficiaries of it.
• sleeper

  

  queencitybuckeye;1389794 wrote:It's been the law far longer than the boomers being the beneficiaries of it.

  Embarrassing. :thumbup:
• Azubuike24

  

  This is a misconception. The one and done rule really has nothing to do with the NBA. They would be fine with it being straight from HS, one and done, two and done, three and done, whatever. The NBA product would evolve, the GM's would adapt and expectations would be set.
  
  Right now, they benefit the MOST from one and done because it forces these kids to go to school, play a year of college ball and it's basically a free look at their games from an NBA standpoint. As you can imagine, the top guys coming out of HS, would be drafted very high right out of HS or one year in college. They are projected that high for a reason and very little of it has to do with performance on the NCAA level.
  
  That isn't to say guys can't go to college and elevate their stock. Many others guys go to college, get pigeon-holed into a system that doesn't allow them to always show their skills, and their stock falls. That's why certain college programs, IMO, are taking advantage of this the most. Anthony Davis, for example, was 6'11, amazing athleticism and skills in HS. He would've been a top 5 pick if he was eligible in the 2011 draft. Instead, he was able to enhance his stock in college, showcase his talents as being more than just the potential he showed. It cemented the #1 pick. Other guys, who were in similar positions, really saw their stock fall by being "forced" to play in college. Perry Jones at Baylor, Josh Selby at Kansas. Two guys who were top 5 on draft boards before college, Selby ended up going pro after a year and went in RD2, Jones has to stay 2 years and he ended up still not going lottery.
  
  IMO, the best way to handle it is have no limit. I used to see the side of it where certain kids got terrible advice, left early with a promise of being a lottery, or even just first round pick, and they ended up never making it, blowing the chance at a college degree and now are doing who knows what.
  
  Remember these names?
  
  Ndubi Ebi
  James Lang
  Keith Brumbaugh
  Amir Williams
  
  Now, I think another thing to look at, is a few of these guys opted to not go to a high D-1 college because of eligibility. I remember with James Lang, there were rumors he wouldn't qualify his Sophomore year. He never seemed to do anything to improve it, and therefore, those recruiting him, never probably counted on him much. This seemed to be a common case when guys had the option of going right to the pros. This is one of the downsides. At least with one and done, you can't risk being ineligible, or else you get stuck in that gray area for a year without anywhere to go.
  
  Keith Brumbaugh was a top level recruit, but never had amazing NBA potential. He was not eligible to play D-1, therefore he never committed. He opted to go the JUCO route, transferred a few times and really name found a home. Another guy who could've likely played pro ball somewhere, but ended up taking a long route just to get to the D-League. He's never played in the NBA.
• Classyposter58

  

  Fly4Fun;1389730 wrote:Baseball is a bit different as there is the minor leagues where people can play and continue to develop. But then again, the NBA does have the D-league.
  
  I do think the 1 and done is a joke though. You can take as many cupcake classes as you want your fall semester (unless the school has certain requirements for freshman to take). It's a complete mockery of the system and actually an advantage the 1 and done guys have over the guys sticking around for 3-4 years. They can come in pretend to care, not really put in any effort and focus on basketball. While the people who actually plan on sticking around have to work a lot harder academically.

  and those players who stay for that long are probably not going pro thus needed the better education
• OSH

  

  Classyposter58;1390106 wrote:and those players who stay for that long are probably not going pro thus needed the better education

  Why? If someone can earn $30-60,000 a year playing baseball, basketball, soccer, football, or whatever sport they want to play...why would they want a "better education?" If they can play minor leagues for the rest of their lives, they may be happy. If that's what they choose to do to make money, then so be it.
  
  They probably do more for communities and economies than most people who go get a 4-year degree.
• Classyposter58

  

  OSH;1390221 wrote:Why? If someone can earn $30-60,000 a year playing baseball, basketball, soccer, football, or whatever sport they want to play...why would they want a "better education?" If they can play minor leagues for the rest of their lives, they may be happy. If that's what they choose to do to make money, then so be it.
  
  They probably do more for communities and economies than most people who go get a 4-year degree.

  I didn't know you could play minor league sports until your 80? I haven't seen a whole lot of elderly people on the Mud Hens roster. Also you act like 30-60k is a good income? Haha come on
• OSH

  

  Classyposter58;1390245 wrote:I didn't know you could play minor league sports until your 80? I haven't seen a whole lot of elderly people on the Mud Hens roster. Also you act like 30-60k is a good income? Haha come on

  If people are happy making that, why is that such a big problem? Not only are they making money, but they are playing a sport (i.e., doing a job) that they love for however long they can. After they are done playing, they could get a job in the coaching staff or front office and work their way into a career within the sport (i.e., profession) that they've put so much time and effort into.
  
  See how that works? It's what some people prefer. Who are we to say that it is "wrong?" If that's what a person chooses, they are happy, they provide for their family, then it should be good enough for the outsider-looking-in. If I could make $30-60,000 a year doing what I love...give it to me. Not all people will end up making six-plus figures and everything is "peachy keen" because they have no worries with large bank accounts...haha come on.