Nobody elected to Cooperstown....steroids strike out.

• HitsRus

  

  http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/baseball-hall-of-fame-to-unveil-2013-class-today/2013/01/09/fc50aecc-5a76-11e2-88d0-c4cf65c3ad15_story.html
  Baseball writers rejected the steroid era 'tainted' players by a large margin. Bonds, Clemens, Sosa....despite their huge numbers only received about 40% of the votes necessary for election. The man who first broke Babe's long standing HR record, Mark McGuire, received even less, this on his seventh try, the lowest he's gotten so far.
  
  Craig Biggio was the closest...getting just shy of 69% ...38 votes short of election. Jack Morris was second, just a few votes behind. It was Morris' 14th try...he will have just one more year left of eligibility. Mike Piazza was third.
  
  Cleveland Indians fans will be disappointed that hometown favorites Kenny Lofton and Sandy Alomar Jr. were mentioned on only about 3% of the ballots...leaving them short of the 5% required to stay on next year's ballot.
• Ironman92

  

  C'mon man....McGuire?
• CLEconomically Speaking

  

  I feel like I just read this...
  
  Oh Yeahh, I did.
  http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?38652-2013-MLB-Random-Chatter
• Ironman92

  

  Yeah....no reason to start a thread ever.
  
  Pro Sports should have 3 threads.
  
  MLB Baseball
  NBA Basketball
  NFL Football
• wildcats20

  

  Horseshit.
  
  I guarantee you that every one of those guys who voted no for them to get in the Hall, voted FOR them to win MVPs, Cy Young's and so forth.
• wildcats20

  

  ccrunner609;1362325 wrote:Yea heard this news.....put Pete Rose on the ballard and he gets in for sure.

  Ballot?
  
  And no, he will(unfortunately) never get in the Hall.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  wildcats20;1362320 wrote:Horseshit.
  
  I guarantee you that every one of those guys who voted no for them to get in the Hall, voted FOR them to win MVPs, Cy Young's and so forth.

  Good [point.
• wildcats20

  

  Commander of Awesome;1362328 wrote:Good [point.

  JA Adande had a tweet about it. And I totally agree with him. It's so hypocritical of them.
• hasbeen

  

  Ironman92;1362318 wrote:Yeah....no reason to start a thread ever.
  
  Pro Sports should have 3 threads.
  
  MLB Baseball
  NBA Basketball
  NFL Football

  
  No reason to start multiple threads discussing same topic.
• ts1227

  

  I was listening to Mike and Mike at about 6:30 this morning, Buster Olney called in as they brought it up because they knew all along that no one was getting in and started this discussion. He said he votes for the best player regardless of circumstance. In the case of the Steroid Era, he says MLB's decisions are what resulted in it, so it is what it is, and I basically agree.
  
  Him or Greeny made the comment that you don't see MLB giving back their astronomical revenues from that time, so the players shouldn't take all of the hit on it.
• hasbeen

  

  ts1227;1362347 wrote:I was listening to Mike and Mike at about 6:30 this morning, Buster Olney called in as they brought it up because they knew all along that no one was getting in and started this discussion. He said he votes for the best player regardless of circumstance. In the case of the Steroid Era, he says MLB's decisions are what resulted in it, so it is what it is, and I basically agree.
  
  Him or Greeny made the comment that you don't see MLB giving back their astronomical revenues from that time, so the players shouldn't take all of the hit on it.

  I posted an article and a comment from a football sports writer in the other thread that makes the same point. The rules of MLB didn't really say much about it. They played within in the culture of the game at the time.
• HitsRus

  

  No reason to start multiple threads discussing same topic

  I agree with that...but something like this deserves it's own thread anyway. Wastebasket threads are for minor news.
  
  Sorry I stepped on your thread, hasbeen.... I just didn't think of this as 'random chatter'.
• thavoice

  I know there may be legal ramifications and such with Clemens, Bonds and the like but what if they did this....
  
  What if Bonds, Clemens came out and admitted to their steroid use and WHEN they started it. WHat if their numbers before they started it were good enough for HoF? Would they vote for them then? OF course one would have to believe them as to when they said they started.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  wildcats20;1362327 wrote:Ballot?
  
  And no, he will(unfortunately) never get in the Hall.

  When he's dead, I think he will. I think he will eventually get in there.
• Benny The Jet

  

  thavoice;1362729 wrote:I know there may be legal ramifications and such with Clemens, Bonds and the like but what if they did this....
  
  What if Bonds, Clemens came out and admitted to their steroid use and WHEN they started it. WHat if their numbers before they started it were good enough for HoF? Would they vote for them then? OF course one would have to believe them as to when they said they started.

  Clemens might be able to get in depending on when he started since he had such a long career. All depends on when he started. Bonds on the other hand, you can kind of pinpoint for the most part when he started roiding. And his numbers wouldn't have been good enough.
• hasbeen

  

  Benny The Jet;1362815 wrote:Clemens might be able to get in depending on when he started since he had such a long career. All depends on when he started. Bonds on the other hand, you can kind of pinpoint for the most part when he started roiding. And his numbers wouldn't have been good enough.

  I'm curious to see which year you are pinpointing. I think he WOULD have had the numbers of a HOF, even without steroids.
• HitsRus

  

  When he's dead, I think he will. I think he will eventually get in there

  I think Rose will get into the hall post humously also. He gets more attention NOT being in the hall than if he was in already. I think it is a case of not rewarding him for his transgressions while he is alive. They want to make that point....do something like this...and you'll never see the HOF.
  
  I think Clemens would have been in the Hall regardless, also.
  Ithink another way to look at this is that even if Clemens was using 'roids at some point...he was pitching against guys that were using also.
• hasbeen

  

  HitsRus;1362972 wrote: I think Clemens would have been in the Hall regardless, also.
  Ithink another way to look at this is that even if Clemens was using 'roids at some point...he was pitching against guys that were using also.

  Even if Bonds was using 'roids at some point, he was hitting against pitchers that were using also.
• thavoice

  hasbeen;1362974 wrote:Even if Bonds was using 'roids at some point, he was hitting against pitchers that were using also.

  I imagine some pitchers were using, but the numbers do not quite jive. If pitchers were effectively using and benefitting from the use of roids then we should have seen something statistically speaking. HR's were flying out of parks, ERAs were increasing, and I dont recall seeing an abundance of guys throwing alot harder.
  
  If they were using, and I imagine some were, they didnt seem like they were seeing the upside as much as the hitters were.
  I understand that it is too different things though. A hitter bulking up and using is going to see more benefits than a pitcher, just by the nature of what they do.
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^^ Even more reason that the Rocket should be in there....juice or no juice.