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friendfromlowry

Did Tebow ever get in the game? I had to stop watching at halftime to go to work, but I saw the Sanchez INT and his incredible fumble. I dislike the Jets (read as Rex Ryan) as much as the next guy but man, at what point do they just give Tebow a shot. What do they have to lose at this point. Why did they acquire him if they were not going to utilize him.

Laley23

Ironman92;1327156 wrote:Did you watch the game at the end?

Smart play. Why give the other team a chance, no matter how small, to come back on you?

sportchampps

The rule about not challenging a td almost happened last week as well. I read about it in Peter kings Monday morning qb. I for get who it was but they only got saved because of some other technicality.

GoChiefs

Ironman92;1327095 wrote:WTF? Lol

DeAngelo Hall is such a dumb fuck.

How? He scores, Dallas gets the ball back. It would have taken a huge miracle for anything to happen, but we've seen stranger things. He falls at the 2, Redskins keep the ball and are able to run the final :18 seconds off the clock. Seems like a smart play to me. How was he dumb?

Ironman92

GoChiefs;1327188 wrote:How? He scores, Dallas gets the ball back. It would have taken a huge miracle for anything to happen, but we've seen stranger things. He falls at the 2, Redskins keep the ball and are able to run the final :18 seconds off the clock. Seems like a smart play to me. How was he dumb?

Uh....they were already up 7

GoChiefs

Ironman92;1327226 wrote:Uh....they were already up 7

You haven't seen anyone score twice in 18 seconds? It's happened before. He scores, they miss the extra point, up by 13, Dallas miracously scores twice, hits both extra points, Dallas wins. Why would you chance it?

Ironman92

GoChiefs;1327247 wrote:You haven't seen anyone score twice in 18 seconds? It's happened before. He scores, they miss the extra point, up by 13, Dallas miracously scores twice, hits both extra points, Dallas wins. Why would you chance it?

No... I have never ever saw a team score with 18 seconds left to go up 14, kickoff 7 yards deep into the end zone for a 107 yard return (which will take 12-15 seconds) and then on sides kick and recover (hey, how'd that last one work?).....then complete a hail mary of 60 yards for another TD.

That has never happened. If he was going to clinch the game he would've fell after catching it....I mean he could've fumbled the ball or been stripped......could've fumbled the knee down snap for a TD.....all those happenings are virtually impossible, whereas my way is twice as impossible.

He was running full go as part of the play and just slid on the 1.....there wasn't 1:30 left and they weren't up by just a point. It was unnecessary.....that along he's one of the most overrated players I've ever seen.

hasbeen

Ironman92;1327299 wrote:No... I have never ever saw a team score with 18 seconds left to go up 14, kickoff 7 yards deep into the end zone for a 107 yard return (which will take 12-15 seconds) and then on sides kick and recover (hey, how'd that last one work?).....then complete a hail mary of 60 yards for another TD.

That has never happened. If he was going to clinch the game he would've fell after catching it....I mean he could've fumbled the ball or been stripped......could've fumbled the knee down snap for a TD.....all those happenings are virtually impossible, whereas my way is twice as impossible.

He was running full go as part of the play and just slid on the 1.....there wasn't 1:30 left and they weren't up by just a point. It was unnecessary.....that along he's one of the most overrated players I've ever seen.

It's pretty simple. He goes down and the game is over after one kneel down. He goes into the end zone and play continues. He doesn't take a knee to start, probably because he went with his natural reaction and them corrected it.

In no way during that play was he an idiot or whatever you called him.

Ironman92

hasbeen;1327304 wrote:It's pretty simple. He goes down and the game is over after one kneel down. He goes into the end zone and play continues. He doesn't take a knee to start, probably because he went with his natural reaction and them corrected it.

In no way during that play was he an idiot or whatever you called him.

He went with his natural reaction for 35+ yards. Neither way has ever resulted in a loss....

I'll just change my opinion and say he must be a good sport not running up the score and Tresseling it on the 1. Good for him.

sportchampps

It was a smart play get over it.

Ironman92

sportchampps;1327332 wrote:It was a smart play get over it.

I do not agree it was any smarter than him scoring...get over it.

Terry_Tate

0% chance Dallas was winning either way. Wasn't there 13 seconds left when he would have scored? The chances they win if he scores is the same chance RG3 has of fumbling the snap when taking the knee.

Ironman92

Terry_Tate;1327339 wrote:0% chance Dallas was winning either way. Wasn't there 13 seconds left when he would have scored? The chances they win if he scores is the same chance RG3 has of fumbling the snap when taking the knee.

I say it's less, but I'm glad someone can understand my point.

Terry_Tate

Ironman92;1327342 wrote:I say it's less, but I'm glad someone can understand my point.

Yeah, there was no chance Dallas was winning if he scores. I'd have taken the TD. You never see those on an onside, would have been awesome.

hasbeen

Terry_Tate;1327343 wrote:Yeah, there was no chance Dallas was winning if he scores. I'd have taken the TD. You never see those on an onside, would have been awesome.

Statistically, there was a chance. That's all that matters. If he goes down, Dallas has a 0% chance of winning. If he scores, the odds are still awful but greatly improve.

Brian Westbrook did the same thing for the Eagles years ago.

Ironman92

hasbeen;1327388 wrote:Statistically, there was a chance. That's all that matters. If he goes down, Dallas has a 0% chance of winning. If he scores, the odds are still awful but greatly improve.

Brian Westbrook did the same thing for the Eagles years ago.

Ugh....

How do they greatly improve? It's never ever happened ever.

Hall is not an idiot for sliding.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Moving on to the weekend games...

Terry_Tate

hasbeen;1327388 wrote:Statistically, there was a chance. That's all that matters. If he goes down, Dallas has a 0% chance of winning. If he scores, the odds are still awful but greatly improve.

Brian Westbrook did the same thing for the Eagles years ago.

Dallas does not have a 0% chance if he goes down. What if Washington fumbles the snap and Dallas recovers?

Laley23

Put it this way.

Has a kneeldown ever not been completed? I dont think so.

I have seen a kickoff return for a TD. Even if its 108 yards, you will have time left on the clock (only need 1 second, as you can down the onside without clock starting). I have seen teams recover the onside kick. I have seen hail marys completed. I have seen all of those things, and as rare as they all are and as rare as it would be to all happen I think it is significantly higher than a kneeldown fumble and subsequent 99 yard hail mary.

GoChiefs

Ironman92;1327299 wrote:No... I have never ever saw a team score with 18 seconds left to go up 14,

Clemson Tigers did it in :14 seconds.

Speedofsand

Laley23;1327452 wrote:Put it this way.

Has a kneeldown ever not been completed?

Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_at_the_Meadowlands Thanks for reminding me. I forgot Csonka was part of that.

Speedofsand

Ironman, its the same as Ahmad Bradshaw trying not to score in the Super Bowl.

Laley23

Speedofsand;1327475 wrote:Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_at_the_Meadowlands Thanks for reminding me. I forgot Csonka was part of that.

Soooooo. No. Since that was NOT a kneeldown. It was a fumble on a botched snap. Kneeldown wouldve won the game.

Ironman92

Laley23;1327452 wrote:Put it this way.

Has a kneeldown ever not been completed? I dont think so.

I have seen a kickoff return for a TD. Even if its 108 yards, you will have time left on the clock (only need 1 second, as you can down the onside without clock starting). I have seen teams recover the onside kick. I have seen hail marys completed. I have seen all of those things, and as rare as they all are and as rare as it would be to all happen I think it is significantly higher than a kneeldown fumble and subsequent 99 yard hail mary.

Rutgers and Greg Shiano forced 2 fumbles out of victory formation in 2009.

I admit that decision doesn't make an idiot (though his career of smack talking and getting toasted leads me to believe he's not too smart)....I can't talk about this anymore. I still say once he got sprinting past everyone and still going full speed at the 10 everyone in the world watching was prepared for the TD.....then Troy Aikman giggled and said "well I didn't see the point in that"

It's the smart thing if they are up 1 or even 2....it's moot up 7.

13-15 point lead with 18 seconds left and having to kickoff, run kickoff back for TD, successfully complete an onside kick (which they just performed one of the worst ones ever) and then complete around a 60 yard hail mary with just 1 chance.

Performing a successful snap and kneel down.

The only thing that matters now....Skins won, Boys lost

Ironman92

Speedofsand;1327477 wrote:Ironman, its the same as Ahmad Bradshaw trying not to score in the Super Bowl.

Lol...how? Bradshaw scored when the Giants were down 17-15 with little time left and the Patriots obviously wanted him to. If the Giants do kneeldowns they have to successfully make a short FG for the WIN....him scoring gave the Patriots the ball with some time and down only 4 or 5

The Patriots only needed a kickoff return OR a hail mary.....not both and no onside, plus way more time

Ironman92

GoChiefs;1327466 wrote:Clemson Tigers did it in :14 seconds.

You mean against Maryland when they scored on a crossing route and then recovered a fumble for their two quickest scores ever? If so lol that could not be further from what Dallas needed.

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