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Blue Jackets offseason (aka Rick Nash trade thread)

  • gorocks99
    I'm not too crazy about the deal. Dubinsky is an ok young talent - top or 2nd line material eventually, Anisimov is an ok young talent - 2nd line material, Erixon is a prospect, plus a #1. No legitimate 1st line talent.

    I will say I like building 3 good/very good lines instead of one great one and two mediocre ones. But still ... I don't see enough coming back in the deal. \Howson'd
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    lol anyone else shocked that Columbus got jack shit in the trade?
  • End of Line
    It's a fair deal as Nash is severely overrated.

    Lines for next year:

    Dubinsky-Brassard-Atkinson
    Umberger-Anisimov-Johansen
    Folgino-Letestu-Prospal
    Boll-MacKenzie-Dorsett
    Gillies

    JMFJ-Wiz
    Tyutin-Nikitin
    Murray-Erixon
    Moore

    Mason
    Bob
  • gorocks99
    The_Crosby_Show;1231792 wrote:It's a fair deal as Nash is severely overrated.

    Lines for next year:

    Dubinsky-Brassard-Atkinson
    Umberger-Anisimov-Johansen
    Folgino-Letestu-Prospal
    Boll-MacKenzie-Dorsett
    Gillies

    JMFJ-Wiz
    Tyutin-Nikitin
    Murray-Erixon
    Moore

    Mason
    Bob
    I, for one, will celebrate our 90-goal season.
  • BigAppleBuckeye
    As a Rangers fan, let me tell you that you are getting a good one in Dubinsky. But, when I heard about a deal sending Nash to the Rangers, and I read the story and DIDN'T see Chris Kreider's name included, I started doing virtual backflips. Not saying the Rangers won the deal, but I think Columbus could have held out for a lot more.
  • End of Line
    BigAppleBuckeye;1231798 wrote:As a Rangers fan, let me tell you that you are getting a good one in Dubinsky. But, when I heard about a deal sending Nash to the Rangers, and I read the story and DIDN'T see Chris Kreider's name included, I started doing virtual backflips. Not saying the Rangers won the deal, but I think Columbus could have held out for a lot more.
    Nash isn't worth Kreider, plain and simple.
  • gorocks99
    On the plus side, Columbus will have 3 1st-rounders in next year's draft (considered to be a very deep draft)
  • TedSheckler
    gorocks99;1231802 wrote:On the plus side, Columbus will have 3 1st-rounders in next year's draft (considered to be a very deep draft)

    And one of those will be a lottery pick.
  • queencitybuckeye
    The_Crosby_Show;1231792 wrote:It's a fair deal as Nash is severely overrated.
    Disagree completely. That "C" on Nash's sweater weighed a thousand pounds to him. Get him somewhere where he isn't expected to be the franchise, he'll be what he is, an excellent hockey player. I'd entertain a wager where I say he'll record at least 75 points next season.
  • gorocks99
    TedSheckler;1231825 wrote:And one of those will be a lottery pick.
    Most likely the 2nd pick after Edmonton gets #4 in a row.

  • End of Line
    queencitybuckeye;1231826 wrote:Disagree completely. That "C" on Nash's sweater weighed a thousand pounds to him. Get him somewhere where he isn't expected to be the franchise, he'll be what he is, an excellent hockey player. I'd entertain a wager where I say he'll record at least 75 points next season.
    Please. First of all he never deserved to be captain and weighed him down? He's overrated plain and simple.
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    gorocks99;1231827 wrote:Most likely the 2nd pick after Edmonton gets #4 in a row.

    Jones or MacKinnon lol.

    If the CBJ can get a #1 goalie, they're not going to be that bad.
  • queencitybuckeye
    The_Crosby_Show;1231848 wrote:Please. First of all he never deserved to be captain and weighed him down? He's overrated plain and simple.
    He'll be in the top 20 in the league in scoring next season. That would make your overrated comment 100% wrong.
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    queencitybuckeye;1231855 wrote:He'll be in the top 20 in the league in scoring next season. That would make your overrated comment 100% wrong.
    No he's not. He is not going to outscore the likes of;

    -Malkin
    -Crosby
    -Stamkos
    -Giroux
    -Spezza
    -Kovalchuk
    -Kessel
    -Neal
    -Tavares
    -Eberle
    -Nugent-Hopkins
    -The Sedins
    -Karlsson
    -Hossa
    -Thornton
    -Kopitar
    -St. Louis
    -Pominville
    -Eriksson
    -E. Staal
    -Moulson
    -Sharp
    -Toews
    -Parise
    -Datsyuk
    -Zetterberg
    -Iginla
    -Hall
    -Seguin

    Do you want me to continue, bc I can.
  • sportchampps
    Nash is a top 40 player in the NHL not much better then that
  • queencitybuckeye
    The_Crosby_Show;1232139 wrote:No he's not. He is not going to outscore the likes of;

    -Malkin
    -Crosby
    -Stamkos
    -Giroux
    -Spezza
    -Kovalchuk
    -Kessel
    -Neal
    -Tavares
    -Eberle
    -Nugent-Hopkins
    -The Sedins
    -Karlsson
    -Hossa
    -Thornton
    -Kopitar
    -St. Louis
    -Pominville
    -Eriksson
    -E. Staal
    -Moulson
    -Sharp
    -Toews
    -Parise
    -Datsyuk
    -Zetterberg
    -Iginla
    -Hall
    -Seguin

    Do you want me to continue, bc I can.

    Would you care to suggest some sort of wager?
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    queencitybuckeye;1231826 wrote:Disagree completely. That "C" on Nash's sweater weighed a thousand pounds to him. Get him somewhere where he isn't expected to be the franchise, he'll be what he is, an excellent hockey player. I'd entertain a wager where I say he'll record at least 75 points next season.
    He's in NYC, you really believe this comment? Dude is real good player and someone I would've wanted on my team. Definitely would've been ok with the Bruins getting rid of Krejci and tim thomas for him. But seriously, he played in bum fuck as far as the media is concerned. Wait until he has to deal with NYC media, we'll see how much that weighs on him.

    I'll make a bet he doesn't put up 75 points.
  • queencitybuckeye
    Raw Dawgin' it;1232194 wrote:He's in NYC, you really believe this comment? Dude is real good player and someone I would've wanted on my team. Definitely would've been ok with the Bruins getting rid of Krejci and tim thomas for him. But seriously, he played in bum fuck as far as the media is concerned. Wait until he has to deal with NYC media, we'll see how much that weighs on him.

    I'll make a bet he doesn't put up 75 points.
    Having high expectations as one of the better players on a good team, even in New York, is a different kind of pressure than being the only hope in a hopeless situation.

    Care to suggest terms, or I can come up with something?
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    queencitybuckeye;1232198 wrote:Having high expectations as one of the better players on a good team, even in New York, is a different kind of pressure than being the only hope in a hopeless situation.

    Care to suggest terms, or I can come up with something?
    I'd rather be the only guy in columbus than the guy coming in with a mountain of expectations. No money, what did you have in mind?
  • queencitybuckeye
    Raw Dawgin' it;1232250 wrote:I'd rather be the only guy in columbus than the guy coming in with a mountain of expectations. No money, what did you have in mind?
    The typical wager here seems to be an avatar bet. Say from the end of the regular season through the Stanley Cup playoffs?
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    queencitybuckeye;1232387 wrote:The typical wager here seems to be an avatar bet. Say from the end of the regular season through the Stanley Cup playoffs?
    Sounds good to me.
  • End of Line
    sportchampps;1232172 wrote:Nash is a top 40 player in the NHL not much better then that
    If we are including Defensemen/Forwards/Goalies, no he is not.
  • End of Line
    queencitybuckeye;1232387 wrote:The typical wager here seems to be an avatar bet. Say from the end of the regular season through the Stanley Cup playoffs?
    How about, from the end of NHL season to the beginning of the next one. Will be rocking a Pens Avy in that time period.
  • queencitybuckeye
    The_Crosby_Show;1232546 wrote:If we are including Defensemen/Forwards/Goalies, no he is not.

    If you build two complete teams out of all NHL players (40 players exactly), you're saying that Nash isn't on one of the teams? Not sure what the guy did to hurt your feelings, but it made you lose any sense of objectivity. The only worse evaluation I've seen is someone seriously suggesting that Gretzky isn't in the top-10 all time.
  • End of Line
    queencitybuckeye;1232604 wrote:If you build two complete teams out of all NHL players (40 players exactly), you're saying that Nash isn't on one of the teams? Not sure what the guy did to hurt your feelings, but it made you lose any sense of objectivity. The only worse evaluation I've seen is someone seriously suggesting that Gretzky isn't in the top-10 all time.
    If we include a list of Forawrds/Defenseman/Goalies, I wouldn't put him on that list. Yes, he wouldn't be on that list. Here, I'm going to make a list of two teams of the best 40 players in the league.

    Team A:

    Kovalchuk-Crosby-Stamkos
    D. Sedin-Datsyuk-Hossa
    Kopitar-Backstrom-Tavares
    P. Kane-Thornton-Getzlaf

    Karlsson-Weber
    Suter-Letang
    Keith-Boyle

    Lundqvist
    Rinne
    Price

    Team B:

    Ovechkin-Malkin-Neal
    H. Sedin-Toews-Giroux
    Perry-Spezza-St. Louis
    Zetterberg-Bergeron-Parise

    Chara-Pietrangelo
    Yandle-Doughty
    Edler-Seabrook

    Quick
    Loungo
    Miller

    Don't see Nash anywhere. I have nothing against him personally, I just find him to be overrated and not worth the hype and that contract.