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Columbus Ohio and the NBA?

  • sleeper
    The reason soccer games are so heavily attended is because you can buy tickets for like 30 cents. Most MLS teams would lose money if there wasn't ads all over the players, the team names, and the field.
  • End of Line
    Gblock;1167762 wrote:i agree with fly4fun...hockey is just not that popular of a sport...neither is soccer so im not sure i get the comparison. clippers have to be one of the top teams in attendance since the new stadium although that is just a guess. I also think the crew attendance this year will be very good..the only reason columbus isnt a pro sports town is because we dont have any pro sports teams.
    NHL isn't that popular? Is that because you only watch ESPN?

    The NHL's popularity is getting bigger and bigger while the NBA's (In my opinion) is becoming less popular.
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    sjmvsfscs08;1168092 wrote:That's pretty irrelevant. The size of the market is what matters.

    I know for a fact that Mayor Coleman had talk with the Seattle Supersonics when they were moving. I know they currently have plans on ready for the Kings too.

    But let's be honest, there are 5+ cities that would be better fits for an NBA team.

    Las Vegas, St. Louis, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, San Diego, Louisville, Vancouver, Montreal, Seattle (with a new arena), etc.

    It would be wiser for the NBA to go to two years in college, not increase the number of teams.
    I can't see Pittsburgh ever having a pro basketball team. That city is all about the Steelers, Penguins, and Pirates.
  • Classyposter58
    LJ;1168158 wrote:How when the 2nd highest average is 21k?
    Still how many NBA arenas even have 21,000 seats? And here's your top 5...

    1. Seattle 38k
    2. Montreal 34k
    3. Los Angeles 23k
    4. Portland 20k
    5. Toronto 19k
  • LJ
    Classyposter58;1168170 wrote:Still how many NBA arenas even have 21,000 seats? And here's your top 5...

    1. Seattle 38k
    2. Montreal 34k
    3. Los Angeles 23k
    4. Portland 20k
    5. Toronto 19k

    Tgats this year so far and Mon is only playing 5 games in that stadiun.
  • Classyposter58
    Gblock;1167762 wrote:i agree with fly4fun...hockey is just not that popular of a sport...neither is soccer so im not sure i get the comparison
    :laugh:The Rangers/Caps series is actually beating some of the NBA series in TV ratings. If the Rangers or Capitals make the Cup Finals we'll probably see very high ratings. MLS is struggling to hit 300k in viewership
  • OSH
    Gblock;1167863 wrote:david beckham who i believe is the highest paid or close to it ...salary $6,500,000

    Kwame brown salary...$6,750,000

    case closed
    Do you make up things for fun and hope people listen to you? Hardly anything you've said on here has been true.

    David Beckham is the second highest paid soccer player in the world (behind Messi). He makes roughly $26 million a year. Yes, he may have $6.5 million coming from the LA Galaxy alone, but his total contract was worth $250 million.

    In order to understand how the MLS and players are paid, you have to understand that it's a single structure. Unlike most other leagues and teams, all the money is basically pooled together and players get paid. So, there is a set amount coming from each team that is allowed by the salary cap...but the contract also includes more coming from the MLS. This is completely different than any other league does things. So, the MLS has the second highest paid soccer player in the world...not bad eh?
    LJ;1167869 wrote:They have been in the bottom half of attendence 7 out of 15 years. That is bad. A team that has won a championship and is a yearly contender should not be bottom half in attendence that often. Esp as of late.

    10/14 the year they won the Cup? Miserable
    Still bottom half the year AFTER? Even more miserable
    It is miserable. I fault the Crew's marketing schemes [or lack thereof]. There's no reason why the Crew cannot do better.
    Wooball;1167884 wrote:Is it really that hard to figure out why the Crew don't draw that well? Ohio is a Football state, followed by basketball and baseball. Like Fly4Fun points out, Columbus doesn't have the large population like some other MLS cities. And when you look at the large large Hispanic populations of the MLS cities in the South/Southwest, and hipsters in the west/northwest it becomes clear Columbus will be in the bottom 3rd of attendance for MLS.
    Columbus has enough of a population to draw from. Especially considering that there are large population areas they can still draw from. It is completely plausible to think that people travel from Toledo, Cleveland, and Cincinnati to Crew games.
    LJ;1167917 wrote:I disagree. With being a charter team, the first soccer specific stadium in the country, being an annual contender and actually having a decent marketing team, their attendence has been falling. That shows that people in Columbus get bored with anything that isn't OSU football over time. The CBJ never saw a big jump in attendence from going to the playoffs, because people got bored with them (now compound the fact that they are a loser).

    This city does OSU football in the fall, dabbled in some sellouts and decent weekend attendence at OSU bball games, and then Clippers baseball waiting for football to start again. Everything beyond that is secondary. In order for an NBA team to work here, they would have to win a lot, and win fast. Otherwise, people will get bored and see a fall in attendence like almost everything else. I just see it ending up like another CBJ.
    Total truth there.
    Sykotyk;1168040 wrote:First, you have one chance to make a first impression. Columbus started in cavernous Ohio Stadium before getting their own stadium (they year they were first in attendance). The problem is every year new stadiums are opening that cause other teams to jump ahead of Columbus. And they're much nicer stadiums than Crew Stadium. Crew Stadium is as bare bones as you can get. Red Bull Arena, Livestrong Sporting Park, and the new BBVA Compass Stadium in Houston are astronomically better. It's like an NFL team playing at Stambaugh Stadium compared to Browns Stadium.

    There's no contest.

    Plus, these new teams are coming in when soccer is 'hip', the Crew joined MLS when soccer was purely a joke. And the product on the field wasn't good at all. That's changing.

    Portland, Seattle, and Vancouver have had teams for decades. Montreal has their own stadium and will do well. Toronto does well despite a horrible team every year. FC Dallas' stadium is in Frisco miles away from the metroplex (I've been there, nice stadium, horrible location).
    This is actually the case for several stadiums. Chicago Fire's stadium is not in a good location. I would even say that Crew Stadium's location sucks. For the first half of their inaugural year, Vancouver's location sucked and they still got 18,000+ at every game -- a stadium was finished midway through their first season in the MLS.
    Classyposter58;1168155 wrote:Okay but those 6 that are in larger stadiums skew the numbers greatly. Bottomline is in TV ratings and merchandise dollars soccer is dwarfed by everything
    Same can be said for any sport and any team. But...you must not know that out of the 6 that play in non-soccer specific stadiums, only the Sounders really do anything astronomical in terms of attendance. Also, it can be said that LA Galaxy's current structure hurts the attendance averages because they are limited to 7,500 in attendance for some of their games due to their agreement with Cal State Fullerton (I think). LA usually only operates at 75-85% capacity when they play at The Home Depot Center, so they have room for growth but numbers are hurt when they are limited to 7,500 in attendance.


    I'll continue to say it, soccer is growing. It's gaining in popularity. It's gaining in support. It's gaining in finances. It's only going to get better. There are two lower-tier leagues (NASL and USLPro) that are doing fine -- some even get 10,000 fans to support them. I will admit that soccer is probably not the best spectator sport on television right now. Many people, soccer fans included, do not enjoy watching a lot on television. At the same time, the television networks aren't bending over backwards to help the MLS out at all -- it's almost painful to hear ESPN or whomever talk about the nothingness that is happening in the NBA, NHL, NFL, and MLB...especially in their non-championship seasons. There is so much money piped towards those sports -- and they do have the right to get a lot of it. There's simply no need to cover what is covered though. ESPN could do more...if they wanted. They don't have to show the 2007 World Series of Poker when there is an MLS game going on. But, you can bet they would change things if there was an inkling of time to talk about Peyton Manning's neck.
  • OSH
    Classyposter58;1168175 wrote::laugh:The Rangers/Caps series is actually beating some of the NBA series in TV ratings. If the Rangers or Capitals make the Cup Finals we'll probably see very high ratings. MLS is struggling to hit 300k in viewership
    I don't follow the television ratings that closely...maybe because I don't have a television...

    But I do know that since the MLS is now on NBC Sports Network (instead of Fox Soccer Channel), their viewership is up over 56% from last year. That was an increase that NBCSN wanted to see. That's another plus...if only they could get more games on primetime television.
  • End of Line
    Classyposter58;1168175 wrote::laugh:The Rangers/Caps series is actually beating some of the NBA series in TV ratings. If the Rangers or Capitals make the Cup Finals we'll probably see very high ratings. MLS is struggling to hit 300k in viewership
    A Rangers/Kings final is a wet dream for NBC considering the ratings it will pull in.
  • jordo212000
    I hope Columbus gets a team. Although it will probably cause Gilbert to write an angry letter in Comic Sans in protest
  • KR1245
    This wont happen
  • Classyposter58
    OSH;1168185 wrote:I don't follow the television ratings that closely...maybe because I don't have a television...

    But I do know that since the MLS is now on NBC Sports Network (instead of Fox Soccer Channel), their viewership is up over 56% from last year. That was an increase that NBCSN wanted to see. That's another plus...if only they could get more games on primetime television.
    Yeah I think soccer is actually great to watch. Perfect sport for today as far TV timeouts and such. I'd love to go to a Crew game just to see it live
  • OSH
    Classyposter58;1168425 wrote:Yeah I think soccer is actually great to watch. Perfect sport for today as far TV timeouts and such. I'd love to go to a Crew game just to see it live
    I think the same. I hate commercials. I hate timeouts. But, I am a soccer guy...which is clearly evident and probably well known on this forum. I'm a regular attendee at many soccer games whenever I can. Crew games are fun...I just wish they had better marketing and better support. There's no reason why Columbus couldn't support them. They have the soccer audience in Columbus. There is a great soccer audience across the whole state.

    I don't know where you live, but you could check out ANY of the other soccer teams in Ohio -- AFC Cleveland (northeast Ohio playing in the NPSL), Cincinnati Kings and the Dayton Dutch Lions (southwest Ohio playing in the PDL and USLPro - respectively), and finally Detroit City FC (not far from Toledo in northwest Ohio in Detroit). Detroit City and AFC Cleveland are both brand new teams. The Dayton Dutch Lions have been around for 3 years and are fun games -- although the results haven't gone their way in the last two years.
  • KR1245
    Alot of cities want a NBA team

    The league isnt going to expand anytime soon. I would think that Seattle would get the Sonics back before Cbus or anybody else got a new team.