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Giants @ Reds Game 2: Zito(1-0 1.71) vs. Arroyo(1-0 2.91)

  • se-alum
    Can the Reds get a Game 2 win?? A win here would really set it up nicely for a big homestand!
  • thavoice
    Just like how Latos was due to have a great game, Arroyo is about ready to throw up one of his clunkers.

    Zito is a soft throwing lefty.....who has found his groove after a few years....and It hink he has the reds baffled.

    Giants win
  • like_that
    It would be nice to see Zito get his form back. I feel for the guy. He took a big contract and it just hasnt worked out, but he was been working hard everyday to gain his form back.
  • thavoice
    Yeah....Same here.....just not against the reds though!
    Arroyo has 3 good starts.....he is due for a clusterfuck. Only thing that may save him is that the giants arent that great of a hitting team.
  • justincredible
    Benches clear. Reds win.
  • thavoice
    I wonder if what happened late was because of Latos. Was it LeClure who threw it behind the batter? Maybe he did that as a favor to Latos since he really wasnt in the position to do it himself during the game.
  • wildcats20
    thavoice;1152445 wrote:I wonder if what happened late was because of Latos. Was it LeClure who threw it behind the batter? Maybe he did that as a favor to Latos since he really wasnt in the position to do it himself during the game.

    Or it was because they plunked Joey earlier on a pitch that was, to me, clearly intentional.
  • karen lotz
    wildcats20;1152464 wrote:Or it was because they plunked Joey earlier on a pitch that was, to me, clearly intentional.

    Skyhook disagrees
  • thavoice
    wildcats20;1152464 wrote:Or it was because they plunked Joey earlier on a pitch that was, to me, clearly intentional.
    You are probably right. I didnt see that pitch..I tuned it away for a few minutes and back on when bruce was up.

    Forgot about them saying he was hit.......Yeah..it has to be because of that.



    VOtto is striking out alot. Last night in the 1st he goes down on 3 straight pitches. Presssing too much from the huge contract?
  • se-alum
    wildcats20;1152464 wrote:Or it was because they plunked Joey earlier on a pitch that was, to me, clearly intentional.
    If it was intentional, it was possibly the worst timed intentional HBP i've ever seen. Typically you wouldn't hit someone to load the bases in a game that is still winnable.
  • dave
    Votto got hit late in the game. Posey is their best player so that's who you retaliate against and the first time he was up after Votto getting hit was in the 9th. That's why LeCure had to do it. Unfortunately he sucks and couldn't get the job done.

    With Arroyo and Zito going I wouldn't expect anything further.
  • zach24oz
    I thought it was funny after Votto was hit, he picked the ball up and tossed it back to the pitcher, gave him a look and jogged to first. I have a feeling something may happen tonight, but the thing is both pitchers don't throw hard enough to do much. Hopefully last night was a sign for things to come with the batting. Scotty and Bruce came through and just need Votto to relax a little bit. Stubbs is looking very good right now too. Good move to put him in the #2 spot.
  • dave
    I don't think the Voto HBP was intentional either. It wasn't a fastball and a runner was on third. That pitcher just sucked, hell Rolen could even hit him.
  • Heretic
    se-alum;1152478 wrote:If it was intentional, it was possibly the worst timed intentional HBP i've ever seen. Typically you wouldn't hit someone to load the bases in a game that is still winnable.
    I read Yahoo's SB Nation blog for the Giants and their guy seemed to think it was more due to the relief pitcher's general incompetence that night than any intent. Along with doing his best "internet comedian fail" impersonation. Sherm should take some lessons from this guy. And me, as well, with that clumsy jab I just tossed in.
    Otero hit Joey Votto with a pitch because he didn't know where the ball was going. Otero didn't, I mean. Well, I suppose Votto didn't either, or else he would have sat in the right-handed batter's box and explained to the ump that he'd get drilled in the thigh if he took his normal spot. Regardless, it was clear that Otero didn't mean to hit Votto.
  • se-alum
    zach24oz;1152484 wrote:I thought it was funny after Votto was hit, he picked the ball up and tossed it back to the pitcher, gave him a look and jogged to first. I have a feeling something may happen tonight, but the thing is both pitchers don't throw hard enough to do much. Hopefully last night was a sign for things to come with the batting. Scotty and Bruce came through and just need Votto to relax a little bit. Stubbs is looking very good right now too. Good move to put him in the #2 spot.
    The offense has looked pretty good over the last 5 games, but I want to see Bruce and Rolen getting hits in clutch, pressure situations.
  • zach24oz
    Bruce did have a big double in the clutch last night didn't he? I think the bases were loaded?
  • thavoice
    yeah..he had a big double with teh bases loaded late in the game. Dont know i would call it clutch though as the reds were up I think 4-0 at the time...but still a big hit nonetheless that sealed the victory.
  • slcoach
    dave;1152485 wrote:I don't think the Voto HBP was intentional either. It wasn't a fastball and a runner was on third. That pitcher just sucked, hell Rolen could even hit him.
    I disagree. It was a fastball and I think that was the Giants way of pitching around Joey to get to Phillips.

    The Reds can win tonight, but if they come out swinging and not working Zito I could see a 5 hit 1 run performance from Barry.
  • Midstate01
    I don't know it was intentional or not. But I'm glad Lecure stuck up for his teammate and plunked one of them. It's the least he could do, he sucks on the mound right now.
  • justincredible
    Votto was not hit intentionally. No way. That reliever just sucked.

    That said, I had no problem with Sam throwing at Posey. I'm glad he didn't actually hit him, especially in the knee. I'm not sure if Sam was try to hit him or just send the Giants a warning. I'm leaning towards the latter.
  • justincredible
    The black dots are Otero's fastballs last night. All the fuck over the place.

  • slcoach
    I agree that the reliever sucked, but I think it was intentional. I am not sure where you got those charts (or maybe I am not reading them right) but he only threw 36 pitches last night. That seems like a lot of dots.

    If there is going to be a headhunting war, tonight is the night. Zito and Bronson couldn't hurt a teenage girl with their heaters.
  • justincredible
    Yeah, that is off. This chart looks accurate: http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/location.php-pitchSel=519096&game=gid_2012_04_24_sfnmlb_cinmlb_1&batterX=&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=.gif
  • dave
    Stubbs 8
    Valdez 6
    Votto 3
    Phillips 4
    Bruce 9
    Rolen 5
    Ludwick 7
    Hanigan 2
    Arroyo 1

    Cozart getting a day off, lmao. I guess Sunday evening and Monday wasn't enough for the kid.
  • Skyhook79
    karen lotz;1152472 wrote:Skyhook disagrees
    lol