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The Lebron James affect

  • wes_mantooth
    Skyhook79;1089044 wrote:Step it up...you used to be a fair Mod.

    No
  • karen lotz
    Skyhook79;1089039 wrote:See that is the thing. Hypocritecats20 wouldn't let there be ANY debate on it. If he would have let it be debated out especially after last years discussion and the agreement from those involved to wait until next season to discuss it there wouldn't have been any problems. But no when this year came he banned it from being talked about.

    Take it to the basement then, which is where a lot of it took place. I'm sure some would discuss it there if they still feel the same way as they did last year.
  • Tiernan
    I'm the last one to support Lotzy on anything but he's absolutely correct in this case...attendance IS down and there is no way to soft sell these facts... Its a second rate team in a second rate professional league in a third rate city.
  • SportsAndLady
    Skyhook79;1088937 wrote:I'm a fucking idiot, and it's sad because I'm so old that I don't have time to make my life not suck ass
    That is called the Skyhook Effect

    Sucks to be you
  • royal_k
    Tiernan;1089081 wrote:I'm the last one to support Lotzy on anything but he's absolutely correct in this case...attendance IS down and there is no way to soft sell these facts... Its a second rate team in a second rate professional league in a third rate city.
    Attendance is down because the product on the floor is not as good as years' past. It's pretty simple to see.
  • ytownfootball
    Even more simple to predict...not sure why the need to strain arms patting one's self on the back doing so
  • Crimson streak
    SportsAndLady;1089086 wrote:That is called the Skyhook Affect

    Sucks to be you

    Fify ;)
  • bo shemmy3337
    Its not lebron that sold the tickets. it is the W to L ratio. Cleavland fans are very good when it comes to supporting a team. They don't need a star player to fill the seats. Winning teams do this. If lebron averaged 40 points a night and they only won 25 games a year, sell outs would not have come often either. Playoff teams fill seats and looser"s don't. It has been that way for a long time.
  • Skyhook79
    bo shemmy3337;1089187 wrote:Its not lebron that sold the tickets. it is the W to L ratio. Cleavland fans are very good when it comes to supporting a team. They don't need a star player to fill the seats. Winning teams do this. If lebron averaged 40 points a night and they only won 25 games a year, sell outs would not have come often either. Playoff teams fill seats and looser"s don't. It has been that way for a long time.
    When is the last time the Browns made the Playoffs and when was the last time they didn't sell out? Cavs fans have always been bandwagon/fair weather fans.
  • bo shemmy3337
    Skyhook79;1089191 wrote:When is the last time the Browns made the Playoffs and when was the last time they didn't sell out? Cavs fans have always been bandwagon/fair weather fans.
    I was speaking about basketball. Football only has 8 games and is on Sunday most of the time. If the Cavs had 8 home games a year and were on the one day where most people don't work then yes a bad team would sell out.
  • Skyhook79
    bo shemmy3337;1089194 wrote:I was speaking about basketball. Football only has 8 games and is on Sunday most of the time. If the Cavs had 8 home games a year and were on the one day where most people don't work then yes a bad team would sell out.
    Trailblazers sold out almost every game even when they sucked.
  • bo shemmy3337
    Skyhook79;1089196 wrote:Trailblazers sold out almost every game even when they sucked.
    There is always going to be exceptions but most the time winning teams sell tickets and loosing teams do not. It has nothing to do with being a fair weather fan, no one wants to pay 80 bucks a ticket to see a bad team live when you can watch the game at home for free.
  • bo shemmy3337
    http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/year/2011

    Portland was above 500 last year and made the playoffs BTW so that would actually prove my point. unless your talking years past then I really don't care to look up numbers all night lol

    Also the Pistons were number one in attendance in 2006. they had many good players but no super star like lebron. Now still no superstar and they are toward the bottom of the list. Because they are not winning anymore.
  • Mulva
    bo shemmy3337;1089187 wrote:Its not lebron that sold the tickets. it is the W to L ratio.
    LeBron had a ton to do with it. Tickets sold as soon as he was drafted, when the team still basically sucked.

    Cleveland isn't a basketball city. It's a football city, and it was a LeBron city.

    I saw a couple of weeks ago that the Cavs are (or were) 5th in the NBA in local TV ratings though. And capacity is at 76.7% right now, so it's not like the Q is a ghost town.
  • Skyhook79
    bo shemmy3337;1089199 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/year/2011

    Portland was above 500 last year and made the playoffs BTW so that would actually prove my point. unless your talking years past then I really don't care to look up numbers all night lol

    Also the Pistons were number one in attendance in 2006. they had many good players but no super star like lebron. Now still no superstar and they are toward the bottom of the list. Because they are not winning anymore.
    I said even when they sucked which would be non Playoff years.
  • bo shemmy3337
    Mulva;1089201 wrote:LeBron had a ton to do with it. Tickets sold as soon as he was drafted, when the team still basically sucked.

    Cleveland isn't a basketball city. It's a football city, and it was a LeBron city.

    I saw a couple of weeks ago that the Cavs are (or were) 5th in the NBA in local TV ratings though. And capacity is at 76.7% right now, so it's not like the Q is a ghost town.

    Because they knew He would make the Team better. Had they traded him for 3 good players and won 55 games a year the seats would have looked the same. If the argument was about jersey sales then yes Lebron makes a huge impact as a global superstar always sells more of those. But ticket sales are usually directed toward the team and if they are winning more games then they are loosing.
  • bo shemmy3337
    Look at the numbers, Winning teams usually sell the most tickets.

    Current standings - http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/group/1

    Current attendance - http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance
  • Mulva
    bo shemmy3337;1089209 wrote:Because they knew He would make the Team better.
    They knew that about Kyrie too.
    Had they traded him for 3 good players and won 55 games a year the seats would have looked the same.
    Tickets went up almost 7,000 per game when LeBron was drafted. The team won 35 games. Most people were going to the games to watch him, not to watch the Cavs. The fact that they would have watched a winning team doesn't mean that's what they were doing at the time.

    They sold more tickets in LeBron's rookie season, coming off of 13 wins and not having any expectations for the season, than they did any year from 1995-1997. The 95 and 97 teams made the playoffs (47-35 both years), and the 96 team was obviously coming off of a playoff appearance.

    He was a "once in a generation" talent and the hometown kid. There were a ton of LeBron fans, and the same small group of legitimate diehard Cavs fans that there always had been. It's not surprising and it isn't a knock, because 95% of sports teams have fans just like that, but Cleveland isn't a basketball town.
  • hoops23
    Whoa, attendance is down?

    WHO THE FUCK CARES?!!?!
  • KR1245
    hoops23;1089230 wrote:Whoa, attendance is down?

    WHO THE **CARES?!!?![/** QUOTE]

    Wondering the same thing. People are acting like this is the first time something like this has happened
  • thedynasty1998
    Obviously attendance was going to drop. For those who said it wouldn't, deep down they knew it would. Cleveland isn't a rich city, and the product isn't great. Attendance will rebound next year with the addition of more young and talented players, but it will never recover to the levels of the Lebron era. He was the exception to the rule.
  • Skyhook79
    thedynasty1998;1089349 wrote:Obviously attendance was going to drop. For those who said it wouldn't, deep down they knew it would. Cleveland isn't a rich city, and the product isn't great. Attendance will rebound next year with the addition of more young and talented players, but it will never recover to the levels of the Lebron era. He was the exception to the rule.
    I don't think so. There are no players coming out that can generate that much excitement to put more butts in the seats. They are going to have to sign a top tier FA to do that.
  • GoPens
    karen lotz;1089006 wrote:It shouldn't be surprising, but there are a few posters on here that would be surprised based on conversations last year.
    +1. Can't remember who they were but several on here said that there was no way that Cav's attendance would slide, despite Gilbert forcing folks to buy 2 years of season tickets during Lebrick's last year.
  • thedynasty1998
    Skyhook79;1089356 wrote:I don't think so. There are no players coming out that can generate that much excitement to put more butts in the seats. They are going to have to sign a top tier FA to do that.
    Possibly. But this will be a loaded draft. The Cavs could draft two young talented players and put them along Irving and Thompson and you have some appeal.
  • GoPens
    thedynasty1998;1089349 wrote:Obviously attendance was going to drop. For those who said it wouldn't, deep down they knew it would. Cleveland isn't a rich city, and the product isn't great. Attendance will rebound next year with the addition of more young and talented players, but it will never recover to the levels of the Lebron era. He was the exception to the rule.
    Then they should have just STFU instead of looking stupid like they do now.