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BR1986FB

Y-Town Steelhound;943900 wrote:I will say he certainly offers a lot more than Hardesty in the passing game. His reception on I believe 3rd down late last game helped keep the Browns drive alive.

He offers more than Hillis too. Best hands of the three backs currently.

Y-Town Steelhound

BR1986FB;943899 wrote:Hillis will wear down defenses later in a game but my issue was if ya thought Hardesty was getting stuffed in the backfield quite a bit, it would've been x's 10 with Hillis' slow, plodding ass.

Good lord you're acting like he's William Perry. Hillis explodes through the hole when he actually has it, but his size means that the hole needs to be bigger. Last season when the Browns were a run-focused team and the line was opening up holes, Hillis had a lot of success. This season the line has been absolutely terrible and it has led to very little space (and a lot of QB hits/hurries/sacks for Colt).

The guy is in a contract year and if there's one thing that rings true in the NFL, is that guys always turn it up a notch in contract years (well unless their agent tells them not to haha).

BR1986FB

Comments from Harbaugh...

What do you see out of them?
&#8220

lay extremely well on defense, that’s what I’ve watched the most of. Very disciplined. They’re very creative in their schemes. And they play very well—very clean in their assignments, and in their technique. Very aggressive on the backend, just a lot of good, aggressive movement with the corners. They’ll take chances. They’ll break on the ball. They’ll press you. They play very well on the backend. Very athletic at the linebackers, 51 and 52 in particular. The rookie’s playing very well at the defensive tackle position. 71 is extremely good, and they’re good on the edges. Personnel is talented, and they’re very, very well-coached. And they have a great understanding of what they’re doing. It’s a salty, salty defense.”

http://www.49ers.com/news-and-events/article-2/Coachs-Notebook-Oct-24/bde3a514-6f45-401b-9fdd-bab60a73c0bf

Y-Town Steelhound

BR1986FB;943904 wrote:He offers more than Hillis too. Best hands of the three backs currently.

Hillis has decent hands (one handed touchdown catch last year against I think Carolina ring a bell?) but I'd agree C.O.'s are better. Then again the guy DID start out as a receiver in college so you'd expect that.

Y-Town Steelhound

BR1986FB;943909 wrote:Comments from Harbaugh...

What do you see out of them?
&#8220lay extremely well on defense, that’s what I’ve watched the most of. Very disciplined. They’re very creative in their schemes. And they play very well—very clean in their assignments, and in their technique. Very aggressive on the backend, just a lot of good, aggressive movement with the corners. They’ll take chances. They’ll break on the ball. They’ll press you. They play very well on the backend. Very athletic at the linebackers, 51 and 52 in particular. The rookie’s playing very well at the defensive tackle position. 71 is extremely good, and they’re good on the edges. Personnel is talented, and they’re very, very well-coached. And they have a great understanding of what they’re doing. It’s a salty, salty defense.”

http://www.49ers.com/news-and-events/article-2/Coachs-Notebook-Oct-24/bde3a514-6f45-401b-9fdd-bab60a73c0bf

Media: What about the offense coach?

Jim Harbaugh: Pretty much the opposite of everything I just said hahahahaha! (evil Michigan grin)

Heretic

BR1986FB;943896 wrote:Oh, I didn't say Hardesty's performance was impressive, by a long shot, but you're not going to get much better than 2.9 ypc against that Seattle defense. They are built to stop the run. I've actually soured a bit on Hardesty but not as much as Hillis. The book is out on Hillis. Teams know how to defend him.

I agree with that. Hillis is best as a complement back, especially now that teams know about him. He's the guy you want to have catching passes out of the backfield and pounding the DL in the second half of a game you have the lead in. Not the main man on offense.

Commander of Awesome

BR1986FB;943011 wrote:And the offense gets "Victory Monday" (day off tomorrow) with the D. NO WAY this offense should be taking ANY time off. :mad:

The oline took the day off on Sunday, so they should not be taking today off thats for damn sure. Not sure how Colt McCoy hasn't been killed yet, he's drilled on every play. As for game predictions, Gore is due for a injury as he's basically made of glass. We knock him out of the game and Gocong gets 2 pick 6's the way that grandpa bowens did last season I could see this as a win.

SportsAndLady

Really don't understand all this animosity towards Hillis...the guy has been injured and can't get on the field because of his contract issue...be mad at that all you'd like, but you can't bash his ability because of a contract dispute/injury. He proved last year he has very good hands. He's a bruiser..the league figured him out??? How so? He hasn't played very much..and how do you figure he has been figured out? He's always been a bruiser, it's not like he was a burner and now he's a bruiser so the league has figured him out...i'm just so confused at this animosity; are Browns fans really that obsessed with the hot hand? Hardesty will forever be no better than an average NFL back, and that's IF he stays healthy.

BTW br, the Seahawks give up 105 rushing yards a game...so 95 yards on 33 carries isn't anything to brag about (quite the opposite actually).

SportsAndLady

Heretic;943914 wrote:Not the main man on offense.

He had over 1500 all purpose yards last year and 15 TDs as the main man on offense.

BR1986FB

Heretic;943914 wrote:I agree with that. Hillis is best as a complement back, especially now that teams know about him. He's the guy you want to have catching passes out of the backfield and pounding the DL in the second half of a game you have the lead in. Not the main man on offense.

Agreed. I want a home run hitter toting the rock between the 20's and guys like Hillis at the goal line and late in the game to wear down a D/ eat clock like you guys used to use Bettis. Hillis is a fullback that was crammed into a halfback role.

BR1986FB

SportsAndLady;943926 wrote:He had over 1500 all purpose yards last year and 15 TDs as the main man on offense.

He really didn't do much late in the year after teams figured him out. That has carried over into this year. Granted, he's been dinged up but he won't do anything later in the year, if healthy, against the Steelers (who's run D isn't where it has been in past years) or Ravens. Hillis snuck up on teams last year and then they figured him out. Even the Ravens said he "snuck up on them" like "who is this guy?"

BR1986FB

SportsAndLady;943925 wrote: BTW br, the Seahawks give up 105 rushing yards a game...so 95 yards on 33 carries isn't anything to brag about (quite the opposite actually).

Ummm...do a LITTLE research? The Browns had 140+ yards rushing yesterday. Hardesty, with 95, is the back who has come closest to breaking 100 in a game against them, I believe.

The "105 rushing yards a game" you mentioned is collectively. Hardesty had 95 of the 141 himself.

BR1986FB

SportsAndLady;943925 wrote:Really don't understand all this animosity towards Hillis...the guy has been injured and can't get on the field because of his contract issue...be mad at that all you'd like, but you can't bash his ability because of a contract dispute/injury. He proved last year he has very good hands. He's a bruiser..the league figured him out??? How so? He hasn't played very much..and how do you figure he has been figured out? He's always been a bruiser, it's not like he was a burner and now he's a bruiser so the league has figured him out...i'm just so confused at this animosity; are Browns fans really that obsessed with the hot hand? Hardesty will forever be no better than an average NFL back, and that's IF he stays healthy.

No animosity, just think he's a one hit wonder. He has his place but not as a feature back in THIS type of offense.

And yes, the league HAS figured him out. Early on, the "fools" would try to take him on "high." Now everyone knows not to mess with that, stay low and you take away his effectiveness.

As far as the "hot hand?" I don't think the "game changing" RB is currently on this roster.

SportsAndLady

BR1986FB;943933 wrote:Ummm...do a LITTLE research? The Browns had 140+ yards rushing yesterday. Hardesty, with 95, is the back who has come closest to breaking 100 in a game against them, I believe.

The "105 rushing yards a game" you mentioned is collectively. Hardesty had 95 of the 141 himself.

Still, 95 yards on 33 carries? Less than 3 yards a carry isn't good, no matter what defense. Not to mention, McCoy had 31 of those rushing yards.

And again, it's not about the yards..it's about the YPC. Hardesty had THIRTY THREE carries...I can't believe his 2.8 YPC ranks very well against the Seahawks' D.

BR1986FB

SportsAndLady;943945 wrote:Still, 95 yards on 33 carries? Less than 3 yards a carry isn't good, no matter what defense. Not to mention, McCoy had 31 of those rushing yards.

And again, it's not about the yards..it's about the YPC. Hardesty had THIRTY THREE carries...I can't believe his 2.8 YPC ranks very well against the Seahawks' D.

Against Seattle this season:

Week 1: Frank Gore - 22/59, 2.7 avg
Week 2: Mendenhall - 19/66, 3.5 avg
Week 3: A. Smith - 17/54, 3.2 avg
Week 4: M. Turner - 26/70, 2.7 avg
Week 5: A. Bradshaw - 17/58, 3.4 avg
Week 6: BYE
Week 7: M. Hardesty - 33/95, 2.9 avg

In case you haven't noticed, that's some pretty good company he's in. Nobody went off against the Chickens D. Typically a 4+ ypc would be considered decent.

SportsAndLady

BR1986FB;943944 wrote:And yes, the league HAS figured him out. Early on, the "fools" would try to take him on "high." Now everyone knows not to mess with that, stay low and you take away his effectiveness.

Stay low and he'll leap over you lol

Hillis has barely got into the groove of the season so far..and he still has a higher YPC (3.5) than Hardesty (3.3). And more TDs.

I just don't understand how you can just give up on Hillis...I could MAYBE understand if he was the lead back this year, with no contract disputes, and was being stuffed. But that's not even close to the case here.

SportsAndLady

BR1986FB;943948 wrote:Against Seattle this season:

Week 1: Frank Gore - 22/59, 2.7 avg
Week 2: Mendenhall - 19/66, 3.5 avg
Week 3: A. Smith - 17/54, 3.2 avg
Week 4: M. Turner - 26/70, 2.7 avg
Week 5: A. Bradshaw - 17/58, 3.4 avg
Week 6: BYE
Week 7: M. Hardesty - 33/95, 2.9 avg

In case you haven't noticed, that's some pretty good company he's in. Nobody went off against the Chickens D. Typically a 4+ ypc would be considered decent.

There's more than 1 RB on an NFL team. They give up over 100 rushing yards to teams...their run D isn't what you are making it out to be lol

BR1986FB

SportsAndLady;943952 wrote:There's more than 1 RB on an NFL team. They give up over 100 rushing yards to teams...their run D isn't what you are making it out to be lol

You obviously didn't pay attention to the buildup prior to this game. The Seahwaks came in with one of the top run defenses, in fact it may have been #1, prior to this game. The way to beat them was "through the air." The Browns beat them on the ground. It wasn't pretty but that's how they won. Seattle has an outstanding run defense.

And that "105 yards per game" you mentioned? It was PRIOR to the Browns putting up 141 so that number was likely <100 ypg before yesterdays game. Their 3.2 yards per rush is STILL #1 in the NFL.

like_that

BR1986FB;943909 wrote:Comments from Harbaugh...

What do you see out of them?
&#8220lay extremely well on defense, that’s what I’ve watched the most of. Very disciplined. They’re very creative in their schemes. And they play very well—very clean in their assignments, and in their technique. Very aggressive on the backend, just a lot of good, aggressive movement with the corners. They’ll take chances. They’ll break on the ball. They’ll press you. They play very well on the backend. Very athletic at the linebackers, 51 and 52 in particular. The rookie’s playing very well at the defensive tackle position. 71 is extremely good, and they’re good on the edges. Personnel is talented, and they’re very, very well-coached. And they have a great understanding of what they’re doing. It’s a salty, salty defense.”

http://www.49ers.com/news-and-events/article-2/Coachs-Notebook-Oct-24/bde3a514-6f45-401b-9fdd-bab60a73c0bf

Geez. I hope the Browns D didn't read Harbaugh's praise.

Y-Town Steelhound;943912 wrote:Media: What about the offense coach?

Jim Harbaugh: Pretty much the opposite of everything I just said hahahahaha! (evil Michigan grin)

Reps.

wes_mantooth

Yikes...I am in the minority I guess. I thought hardesty played well...he was decisive with his cuts. His shitty line didn't open any holes at all.

SportsAndLady

BR1986FB;943957 wrote:You obviously didn't pay attention to the buildup prior to this game. The Seahwaks came in with one of the top run defenses, in fact it may have been #1, prior to this game. The way to beat them was "through the air." The Browns beat them on the ground. It wasn't pretty but that's how they won. Seattle has an outstanding run defense.

And that "105 yards per game" you mentioned? It was PRIOR to the Browns putting up 141 so that number was likely <100 ypg before yesterdays game. Their 3.2 yards per rush is STILL #1 in the NFL.

okay it was at 97.8 YPG before the Browns game lol again, you're stretching this Seattle defense. They're good, no doubt. But Hardesty going for 2.8 a carry isn't some impressive feat.

So Hardesty put up 95 yards, 2 prior to their average given up. And 2.8 YPC, .4 less than their average of 3.2. Hooray Hardesty!

SportsAndLady

wes_mantooth;943965 wrote:Yikes...I am in the minority I guess. I thought hardesty played well...he was decisive with his cuts. His ****ty line didn't open any holes at all.

I'm not trying to say he played poorly or anything. Just don't understand how you can bash Hillis then back up Hardesty lol it makes no sense.

wes_mantooth

SportsAndLady;943969 wrote:I'm not trying to say he played poorly or anything. Just don't understand how you can bash Hillis then back up Hardesty lol it makes no sense.

I have no problem with hillis. I think the results would have been about the same if he had all the carries.

I think the problem is that....teams can leave too many in the box because we have no vertical passing game.

DeyDurkie5

hillis should be the starters. plain and simple

SportsAndLady

wes_mantooth;943970 wrote:I have no problem with hillis. I think the results would have been about the same if he had all the carries.

See, I don't agree...Hillis is a career 4.3 YPC, he would have broke 100 yards on 33 carries

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