Colt's built in excuse - maybe the aren't a playoff team even with Peyton.

• rydawg5

  I'll be the first to say it. I don't think the Colts are a good team. Add Peyton and they are a better team, but not a playoff team. I just don't understand the "If Peyton doesn't play the Colts won't make the playoffs" - Yes, but if Peyton does play they still wont. They aren't good this year. They were fading last year.
• gerb131

  

  OK
• Laley23

  

  Ok. They have also made the playoffs 12 straight years with him. So history says you are wrong.
  
  They didnt fade until everyone Peyton throws to got hurt last year. They are a playoff team with him. 11 wins.
• Azubuike24

  

  The Colts have been a staple in the playoffs since Peyton was a 2nd year player. Half of those years they have been one of the top 3 teams in the NFL. One game is way too early to say they aren't that good even with Peyton.
• Fly4Fun

  

  I think this just demonstrates how much Peyton really does mean to the team. He gives everyone confidence. He's definitely a leader of the team, not just the offense. He meant more to that offense more than ANY other QB means to their offense. Not just because the Colts had no good back up. Rather, anyone who watched the Colts play offensively can appreciate HE completely ran that offense... Watching Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Brett Favre (before he was too old) Carson Palmer (pre-knee injury), Kurt Warner, Mike Vick etc... recent QB's in the league was always fun since they were/are great players. Watching Peyton play was on another level... the control and command he had was ridiculous... for him, running that offense was an art.
  
  I'm really disappointed I won't be able to get to see him play... and I'm thinking we might not get that chance again... at least at the level he was playing.
  
  Edit: Just another note about how Peyton helped his team... the tempo and long sustained drives he put up on offense were so beneficial to that defense. It controlled the tempo of the game and kept the other offense off the field.
  
  I'm not a Colts fan, but I watched them play when I could just to watch Peyton... Peyton Manning meant so much more to the Colts than most people gave him credit for.
• OQB

  

  Fly4Fun;892631 wrote:I think this just demonstrates how much Peyton really does mean to the team. He gives everyone confidence. He's definitely a leader of the team, not just the offense. He meant more to that offense more than ANY other QB means to their offense. Not just because the Colts had no good back up. Rather, anyone who watched the Colts play offensively can appreciate HE completely ran that offense... Watching Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Brett Favre (before he was too old) Carson Palmer (pre-knee injury), Kurt Warner, Mike Vick etc... recent QB's in the league was always fun since they were/are great players. Watching Peyton play was on another level... the control and command he had was ridiculous... for him, running that offense was an art.
  
  I'm really disappointed I won't be able to get to see him play... and I'm thinking we might not get that chance again... at least at the level he was playing.
  
  Edit: Just another note about how Peyton helped his team... the tempo and long sustained drives he put up on offense were so beneficial to that defense. It controlled the tempo of the game and kept the other offense off the field.
  
  I'm not a Colts fan, but I watched them play when I could just to watch Peyton... Peyton Manning meant so much more to the Colts than most people gave him credit for.

  
  That's Rep right there! Excellent post, Payton is a very special player and I am glad he played during my lifetime.
• Iliketurtles

  

  Fly4Fun;892631 wrote:I think this just demonstrates how much Peyton really does mean to the team. He gives everyone confidence. He's definitely a leader of the team, not just the offense. He meant more to that offense more than ANY other QB means to their offense. Not just because the Colts had no good back up. Rather, anyone who watched the Colts play offensively can appreciate HE completely ran that offense... Watching Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Brett Favre (before he was too old) Carson Palmer (pre-knee injury), Kurt Warner, Mike Vick etc... recent QB's in the league was always fun since they were/are great players. Watching Peyton play was on another level... the control and command he had was ridiculous... for him, running that offense was an art.
  
  I'm really disappointed I won't be able to get to see him play... and I'm thinking we might not get that chance again... at least at the level he was playing.
  
  Edit: Just another note about how Peyton helped his team... the tempo and long sustained drives he put up on offense were so beneficial to that defense. It controlled the tempo of the game and kept the other offense off the field.
  
  I'm not a Colts fan, but I watched them play when I could just to watch Peyton... Peyton Manning meant so much more to the Colts than most people gave him credit for.

  +1 for sure. Reps for you Fly. Peyton is my favorite non Cowboy player ever. Love watching him play.
• rydawg5

  what does the past 12 years have to do with the 2011-12 team being a playoff team? when does the past help you in the present? ithink peyton significantly would help the team but not put them in playoff contention
• Mulva

  

  rydawg5;892725 wrote:what does the past 12 years have to do with the 2011-12 team being a playoff team?

  [h=3]prec·e·dent/&#712resid(&#601nt/[/h]Noun: An earlier event or action regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.
• rydawg5

  Mulva;892761 wrote:[h=3]prec·e·dent/&#712resid(&#601nt/[/h]Noun: An earlier event or action regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.

  oh.. precedent.. so eventhough the team changes/gets older, the precedent always trumps that?
• Classyposter58

  

  It was 34-0 at the half! Lemme tell you they don't hold a candle to Houston even with Manning
• Laley23

  

  rydawg5;892788 wrote:oh.. precedent.. so eventhough the team changes/gets older, the precedent always trumps that?

  in 12 years the team didnt get older?
  
  They have plugged in and changed every single year. The only constant has been Manning over the years...yet they never miss a beat.
• lhslep134

  

  Peyton Manning is the offensive coordinator on the football field. To call him a field general is an understatement and doesn't do his preparation, leadership, and ability to dissect a defense justice. There is no reasonable way to judge anything about this offense and their ability unless Peyton is there. The system is designed so no one but Peyton can run it, because he basically designed it.
  
  The OP is speaking illogically.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  lhslep134;892830 wrote:Peyton Manning is the offensive coordinator on the football field. To call him a field general is an understatement and doesn't do his preparation, leadership, and ability to dissect a defense justice. There is no reasonable way to judge anything about this offense and their ability unless Peyton is there. The system is designed so no one but Peyton can run it, because he basically designed it.
  
  The OP is speaking illogically.

  /thread
  
  The real question is who do they get with the #1 pick? Luck and groom him?
• Iliketurtles

  

  Tobias Fünke;892850 wrote:/thread
  
  The real question is who do they get with the #1 pick? Luck and groom him?

  Short answer: Yes.
• sportchampps

  When you lose your heart and soul it affects every position. You cant believe some of those offensive are there anymore ie. Dallas Clark Austin collie. Infact Reggie waynes old ass was their best player.
• Laley23

  

  Tobias Fünke;892850 wrote:/thread
  
  The real question is who do they get with the #1 pick? Luck and groom him?

  Yes, but I dont see them getting the #1 pick. I would LOVE it...and will actually cheer for them to Suck for Luck this year. But I think in time Tennessee will start Locker and the Jags Gabbert. I think the Colts would win either game. I see like 4-5 wins if Collins starts each game. That wont get it done, but at the same time they could do some damage with those 1 and 2 round picks to help for the remaining years of Peyton if he can come back.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Don't agree with the original poster at all. If Manning were healthy, the Colts would be a playoff team.
  
  Oh and the score of a game is no indication of whether a team is capable of getting to the playoffs. Even really good teams can get their asses handed to them at times. It happened to Pittspuke yesterdday in Baltimore, and I doubt anyone is saying Pittsburgh isn't a playoff caliber team at this point.
  
  Finally, I don't see Manning coming back from this surgery long-term. I've had a similar surgery and it changes too much how you're able to move your head, and after effects like chronic pain are not uncommon. Not to mention his neck is now weakened from its original state and that makes him more susceptible to a much more dangerous injury.
• lhslep134

  

  Writerbuckeye;893199 wrote:
  Finally, I don't see Manning coming back from this surgery long-term. I've had a similar surgery and it changes too much how you're able to move your head, and after effects like chronic pain are not uncommon. Not to mention his neck is now weakened from its original state and that makes him more susceptible to a much more dangerous injury.

  While I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I do have to point out that I assume Peyton Manning has better access to rehab, trainers, etc. than you had.
  
  Again, you could be 100% right, just had to point out the difference between your case and his.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  No problem. My point is that surgery to the neck like this changes the foundation of how the neck works and its strength. No amount of rehab or training can add more strength to the structure. Yes, you can make the muscles stronger and it can help protect you somewhat, but the possibility of a much more severe injury is always going to remain higher.
  
  It may come down to whether he wants to take that risk to play a few more seasons or insure he doesn't end up crippled after getting hurt and walk away with the millions he (hopefully) has in the bank.
• namod65

  

  It has been mentioned already in this thread, but I will solidify it. The Colts were not fading last year because they were not a good team. They faded because in their secondary they lost Bob Sanders, Jerraud Powers, Chip Vaughn, Melvin Bullitt and Brandon King to INJURY. On offense they lost Dallas Clark, Anthony Gonzalez, Austin Collie and Joesph Addai to INJURY. That's more than the bulk of their backbone. If most teams lost that many of their key cogs they'd be a one to two win team. But Peyton still kept them in the hunt. If the Colts were even the least bit healthy this year, they would easily content again. [LEFT]
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• rydawg5

  bump
• like_that

  

  Nobody gives a fuck about this thread, that's why it died after 21 posts. Keep it buried where it belongs.
• rydawg5

  like_that;943984 wrote:Nobody gives a fuck about this thread, that's why it died after 21 posts. Keep it buried where it belongs.

  then dont post on it bitch.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;943984 wrote:Nobody gives a fuck about this thread, that's why it died after 21 posts. Keep it buried where it belongs.

  +1.