Cincinnati Bengals @ Cleveland Browns: Week 1

• stroups

  

  BR1986FB;884990 wrote:You might be a rarity. Most Bengals fans I know couldn't give a **** if Mike Brown moved them out of Cincy. Cincinnati is CLEARLY a baseball town.

  
  I wouldn't care if mike brown moved himself out of cincinnati then died in a fire.
• BR1986FB

  Automatik;884979 wrote:10-6 w/ that gauntlet of a schedule at the end? Colt will be lucky to make it out alive.

  They won't go 10-6 but he'll make it out alive. This WCO is built to defeat aggressive, blitzing teams.
• slcoach

  DeyDurkie5;884964 wrote:bengals suck this year. Andy Dalton looks like a young Jordan Palmer. You guys will 2 games at the most. Brownies will be 10-6. Want to place a bet on your bengals or are your balls smaller than your football knowledge?

  I know more about the game than you ever will! So you want to lay $100 that the Bengals will win more than 2 games? I will put my money where my mouth is! There is no way in hell the Browns win 10 games. I know you are an internet badass, but I will bet whatever.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  slcoach;885013 wrote:I know more about the game than you ever will! So you want to lay $100 that the Bengals will win more than 2 games? I will put my money where my mouth is! There is no way in hell the Browns win 10 games. I know you are an internet badass, but I will bet whatever.

  I'll bet you a 100$ they win 4 games or less. I already know the type of turdball you are, so let's get it going.
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;884899 wrote:oh right I forgot your opinion is fact. /sarcasm.

  If you didn't know that was a joke, then i can't help you.
  

  slcoach;884902 wrote:Go fuck yourself! I understand a couple of preseason wins have you all hard about the Browns, but they won't be much better than Cincy. And if Colt McCoy and the passing game are the Browns' strength, then the Bengals won't have to worry about finishing last in the North.

  lol calm down little guy. You obviously aren't used to deydurkie's posting style. I mean we are talking about the same guy who made a bet that the Browns would have a better record than the steelers last year. Nice fail on getting your panties in a bunch. I will easily take that bet on who will finish last in the North though.
  

  stroups;884903 wrote:Is this the thread where I have to announce my Bengals fandom because just in case they do something good I don't get called a bandwagon fan?

  Yes, 90% of bengals fans are bandwagon/fairweather fans. It is noted that you are still a fan though. Congrats.
  

  sportchampps;884916 wrote:Browns fans always love their team before they have played a game then reality sets in. The best they do is 8-8 and that's if everything goes right will probably be more like 6-10 with wins over the bengals dolphins titans 49ers raiders seahawks. Bengals could go 9-7 if everything goes right but will probably finish 7-9 with wins over the browns Broncos 49ers Bills jaguars Seahawks titans. Both teems start the season with easy games but close extremely tough

  Translation: "I am speaking out of my ass."
  
  Other than deydurkie's idiotic predctions year in and year out, most Browns fans are cautiously optimistic at THE MOST. GTFO with your garbage. Most people here are predicting the Browns ceiling(that means their best) is an 8 win season. Most of us are still predicting a losing season. You are acting like everyone here is predicting a SB run. Also LMAO at saying the Bengals can win 9 games this year. Is your name Jemele Hill by any chance, because last year she predicted the Bengals would be in the SB. They might beat the Browns, but there is absolutely no way in hell they win 9 games.
  

  se-alum;884935 wrote:Unlike the Bengals fans that don't love their team until they win some games.

  +1, can't wait to go to the Battle of Ohio in Cincy, its a closer drive for me than this game will be, and since cincy fans are a complete joke, it will be a Cleveland takeover.
  

  stroups;884984 wrote:This is exactly why I had to come on here and state I was a Bengals fan. Browns fans think if we don't have a ten page discussion about signing the backup kicker out of Tulsa then you are a bandwagon fan.

  Again, 90% of bengals fans are fairweather/bandwagoners. Thanks for chiming in you are a fan though.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;885049 wrote:If you didn't know that was a joke, then i can't help you.

  Oh I see, must have forgotten the "haha" so I was mistaken. I'm just so used to that at the beginning of posts.
• BR1986FB

  Whatifsports sim of this game...
  
  http://www.whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxscore/default.asp?article=20110911005
• slcoach

  DeyDurkie5;885041 wrote:I'll bet you a 100$ they win 4 games or less. I already know the type of turdball you are, so let's get it going.[/QUOTE
  
  You know so much about me with my 140 posts on this site. You are one of these internet bad asses that spouts off at the mouth without shit to back it up. Say what you want about how bad the Bengals are right now, but the fact of the matter is the Browns haven't sniffed respectability in nearly 10 years. I know and accept that my team sucks, but we have won the division twice in the last 6 years. And we have never lost our team to Baltimore. You run your mouth about the Bengals not winning a game...then they won't win 2...now you wanna bet they won't win 5.What is it? If 4 is your number, then $100 it is.

• like_that

  

  slcoach;885379 wrote:

  DeyDurkie5;885041 wrote:I'll bet you a 100$ they win 4 games or less. I already know the type of turdball you are, so let's get it going.[/QUOTE
  
  You know so much about me with my 140 posts on this site. You are one of these internet bad asses that spouts off at the mouth without shit to back it up. Say what you want about how bad the Bengals are right now, but the fact of the matter is the Browns haven't sniffed respectability in nearly 10 years. I know and accept that my team sucks, but we have won the division twice in the last 6 years. And we have never lost our team to Baltimore. You run your mouth about the Bengals not winning a game...then they won't win 2...now you wanna bet they won't win 5.What is it? If 4 is your number, then $100 it is.

  Yeah, and Cleveland still has the best fans in the league. Just stfu before you spout off more ignorant bullshit.

• jordo212000

  

  BR1986FB;884990 wrote:You might be a rarity. Most Bengals fans I know couldn't give a fuck if Mike Brown moved them out of Cincy. Cincinnati is CLEARLY a baseball town.

  
  Huh?
• voewoody

  

  Add me to the list of 10% of bengals fans that aren't bandwagon!!!! Everyone needs to quit bitching and moaning, neither team is that good. Brownies are definitely getting better and could definitely win 8 games but I see 6 or 7. Bengals on the other hand could probably win 6-7 but probably will win in the 4-5 range.
  
  I will say 23-20 Bengals for Sunday.
• sportchampps

  Also LMAO at saying the Bengals can win 9 games this year

  I said if everything goes right they can win 9 games. Their wins would be Browns x2, Broncos 49ers, Bills, jaguars, seahawks, titans, and either a win vs the cardnials or rams would make 9. I'm not saying it is probable but it is possiable, all of those teams are beatable. I think more then likly they split with the browns and lose to the cards, rams, and titans.
  

  Translation: "I am speaking out of my ass."
  

  How easy it is to forget about how we heard from browns fans that Derek Anderson was the real deal, that Rubin Droughns would be a beast. Or that Brandy Quinn was the future. That Romeo would be a great coach or Mangini would be like Belichek in his second job. This year we have the hype of Colt McCoy a player who almost got cut last year during the preseason and Hillis who ran for more then 59 yards in one of the last 5 games. Or that the new 4-3 defense will transform them. I've already heard Browns fan saying they will split with Pittsburgh and the Ravens. The Browns have lost one fo their biggest offensive threats with kickoff returns bacially being removed from the game. While you may have not said these things there are plenty of Browns fans who have.
• zach24oz

  Browns fans arent the only people saying that Colt McCoy could possibly have a year that gets him and the browns to "respectable" and make him their future QB for hopefully 10 years. I know that nobody can say for certain if he and the browns really will be all that good this year but just seeing a little bit from the starters in some early games, it looks like they could be better than what others might say. But we will find out for sure what they are capable Sunday.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  sportchampps;885414 wrote:I said if everything goes right they can win 9 games. Their wins would be Browns x2, Broncos 49ers, Bills, jaguars, seahawks, titans, and either a win vs the cardnials or rams would make 9. I'm not saying it is probable but it is possiable, all of those teams are beatable. I think more then likly they split with the browns and lose to the cards, rams, and titans.
  
  
  
  How easy it is to forget about how we heard from browns fans that Derek Anderson was the real deal, that Rubin Droughns would be a beast. Or that Brandy Quinn was the future. That Romeo would be a great coach or Mangini would be like Belichek in his second job. This year we have the hype of Colt McCoy a player who almost got cut last year during the preseason and Hillis who ran for more then 59 yards in one of the last 5 games. Or that the new 4-3 defense will transform them. I've already heard Browns fan saying they will split with Pittsburgh and the Ravens. The Browns have lost one fo their biggest offensive threats with kickoff returns bacially being removed from the game. While you may have not said these things there are plenty of Browns fans who have.

  Well damn those Browns fans for being optimistic -- how dare they. They should be more like Bengals fans and simply give up before the season begins, right? Hell, if Mike Brown was the owner of my favorite team, I'd feel the same way.
  
  For the record: If you're going to come on here and talk s-hit at least have your facts right. Colt McCoy was NEVER in danger of being cut. Never. That was an internet rumor without substance; but I guess you like your "facts" that way.
• fortfan

  Just an observation....If anybody, anywhere says the Bengals suck...even if they have no association with the Browns, the first thing out of Bengal fans mouth is "The Browns aren't any better". It's like one can't be bad without the other.....or rather Bengals fans have a real inferiority complex.
• Footwedge

  The way I see it, the Browns will be 8-3 after 11 games....providing the injury bug doesn't destroy them. From there out, we will have to see what happens. As for Sunday's game, it should be a Browns blowout. It will take Andy Dalton awhile to figure this shlt out at this level.
• like_that

  

  Footwedge;885655 wrote:The way I see it, the Browns will be 8-3 after 11 games....providing the injury bug doesn't destroy them. From there out, we will have to see what happens. As for Sunday's game, it should be a Browns blowout. It will take Andy Dalton awhile to figure this shlt out at this level.

  SMH, might as well prepare for a 3-8 start for the Browns now. You are the same poster who made a thread bragging about the Cavs preseason record smh, and also said they would be in the playoffs smh.
• swamisez

  

  Can't see the Browns being a .500 team or competing for a North division title with Colt McCoy under center. Our division has the two best safeties in the league (Troy Palamalou, Ed Reed). In order to beat the Ravens and Steelers and offense has to keep them out of the box and covering downfield threats. I think if the Browns had a bigger arm under center they could stretch the field enough to free up their running game. Unfortunately for them McCoy is best out of the pocket and doesn't stretch the field enough to keep defenses from loading the box.
  
  The crazy thing about what I just said is that Cincinnati is in the same boat, with a qb who is less mobile and possibly has a weaker arm. AJ Green is a downfield threat, but under-throwing him for INT's won't help stretch the field and open the running game up for Benson. I can see TJ Ward reading Dalton's play sheet on his wrist by the second drive. Cincinnati must gear up for package blitzes from the secondary. Cincinnati's offensive line is built for downhill blocking, pass protection will not be easily achieved. Andre Smith has improved, but at tackle he is very vulnerable to a pass rush.
  
  I know someone will find my logic ridiculous, but I am just stating what I see. History tells me that in order to win the division you have to have a running game, a rush defense, and a qb who can stand in the pocket and stretch the field. Flacco, Roethlisberger, McNair, even Palmer in 2005. All are at least 6'3"-6'4" and can throw the deep ball. Dilfer, Quinn, Fitzpatrick, etc. have all failed. Anderson was more like Flacco and Big Ben than any other qb Cleveland has had, and subsequently they nearly made the playoffs in 2006. Jury is still out on Dalton and McCoy, but my gut tells me both teams are in want of Andrew Luck next season.
  
  side note, Bengals season ticket holder since 2002. Am as fed up with Mike Brown as one person can be. Like an idiot, I keep coming back for more. WhoDey Revolution says people like me are the problem. I agree. I live in NC now, but go to 4-5 games a year. Feel like I fly in to have Marvin and his band of quitters kick me in the nuts and send me back home to regroup only to do it again next week. I haven't hated the Browns, but I am envious of an organization that actually tries to win. They are woeful in their pursuit, but at least they try. You are lucky to have Holmgren, Shurmur (apologies for spelling), and the more recent ownership.
• swamisez

  

  BR1986FB;885073 wrote:Whatifsports sim of this game...
  
  http://www.whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxscore/default.asp?article=20110911005

  Site has Andy Dalton throwing 40 passes. If Dalton attempts 40 throws, the Browns win by 21+
• BR1986FB

  swamisez;885700 wrote:Can't see the Browns being a .500 team or competing for a North division title with Colt McCoy under center. Our division has the two best safeties in the league (Troy Palamalou, Ed Reed). In order to beat the Ravens and Steelers and offense has to keep them out of the box and covering downfield threats. I think if the Browns had a bigger arm under center they could stretch the field enough to free up their running game. Unfortunately for them McCoy is best out of the pocket and doesn't stretch the field enough to keep defenses from loading the box.

  Who beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl with the WCO? The Packers. Have you watched any of the Browns first 3 preseason games?
  
  Their offense is designed to move the chains with short, efficient passes. Packers drew up the blueprint on how to beat the Steelers with quick drops, quick releases and short, efficient passes. This is what the Browns are trying to do. They don't need a "stretch the field" kind of QB or WR. As long as the QB is accurate and the WR's have good hands and are solid with YAC, they will have an efficient ball control offense. Two five yard completions are just as good as a 10 yarder...same result.
  
  The Browns previous problems were that they had NO passing game. This current offense which will be "pass first to open up the run" should keep guys like Polamalu out of the box.
  
  Will it mean they will overtake the Steelers, this year, with this offense? Highly unlikely because depth will be a major concern and they have a history of injury issues. With the youth movement they definitely have the right idea.
• swamisez

  

  Have seen three of the Browns preseason games. Have watched the Browns numerous over the last two years. Attended the Bengals Browns game in Cincy in addition to watching Browns Bucs, Dolphins, Steelers, Jets, Panthers, Ravens.
  
  I know what Cleveland is trying to do, and in theory sure it sounds plausible. Bear in mind, Aaron Rodgers hit 9 different receivers, had two td passes of 20 yards or more, and attempted 39 passes. Having watched the AFC north continually I am a firm believer that if you have to attempt 35+ passes to win a game in the division you will likely lose. Pittsburgh has deviated from this theory a few times and for a season Big Ben contributed to the Steelers tumble. The return to the running game helped bring Pittsburgh back to super bowl contenders after a struggle to 8-8 in Cowher's finale.
  
  I don't think Cleveland has designs on doing what the Packers do, they don't have the personnel.
  
  I want to expound on this later, but have to run.
• like_that

  

  sportchampps;885414 wrote: How easy it is to forget about how we heard from browns fans that Derek Anderson was the real deal, that Rubin Droughns would be a beast. Or that Brandy Quinn was the future. That Romeo would be a great coach or Mangini would be like Belichek in his second job. This year we have the hype of Colt McCoy a player who almost got cut last year during the preseason and Hillis who ran for more then 59 yards in one of the last 5 games. Or that the new 4-3 defense will transform them. I've already heard Browns fan saying they will split with Pittsburgh and the Ravens. The Browns have lost one fo their biggest offensive threats with kickoff returns bacially being removed from the game. While you may have not said these things there are plenty of Browns fans who have.

  I stand by my statement, you are speaking out of your ass. For every Browns fan who though Droughns was a "beast," there were 10 Browns fans who thought he was the worst 1000 yard rusher in the history of the game. You are just grasping for straws, because here and there some Cleveland fans were positive about certain players or coaches. I might as well bring up how some cincy fans thought Carson was the best QB in the league, or how they thought andre smith was a great draft pick lol. Maybe because a few people said that, I can lump a whole fanbase on those views. Nice fail.
  
  You keep worrying about Cleveland though. Seems like you know more about Cleveland than you do for the Bengals. Not surprised coming from that franchise's fanbase.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  lol andre smith lol.
• BR1986FB

  swamisez;886151 wrote:I don't think Cleveland has designs on doing what the Packers do, they don't have the personnel.

  If Cleveland wants to beat Pittsburgh they are going to HAVE to "do what the Packers do." You CAN'T run on the Steelers. The only way you're going to loosen up that defense/back them off is to hit some of those short to intermediate pass routes and occasionally take your shot over the top. McCoy can do that. This will open up things for Hillis.
  
  As far as personnel goes, they have no world beater WR's but Colt is VERY good at spreading the ball around.
• se-alum

  

  swamisez wrote:I don't think Cleveland has designs on doing what the Packers do, they don't have the personnel.

  Understatement of the year.
  
  The Browns can beat the Steelers running the WCO, but it will take some time to build the depth they'll need to do it. We understand the Browns are a far cry from making any playoff noise, but they have a sound base, and will continue to build on it. Also, Colt McCoy has a plenty strong enough arm, as he is now fully recovered from the shoulder injury.