LeBron "Offense Killer" James

• Sonofanump

  Azubuike24;800807 wrote:What I find funny is so many people both in-person and in various places online are so outspoken in criticizing LeBron. However, for the last 5 years they were on the opposite end of the spectrum and would have defended the guy and his game to no end.

  
  I posted on this in the series thread: It is because they are "fans" which have a bias to not see things clear and make irrational judgements.
• Skyhook79

  

  Azubuike24;800807 wrote:What I find funny is so many people both in-person and in various places online are so outspoken in criticizing LeBron. However, for the last 5 years they were on the opposite end of the spectrum and would have defended the guy and his game to no end.

  
  I was saying these things about Lebron to Cavs fans on here for the last 5 years and was lambasted for it, guess we see now who was right.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Hardly. A lot of fans were critical about the offense. I for one was cussing at the tv when he stood around. I hated how the cavs played offense.
• jhay78

  

  BR1986FB;800704 wrote:I think that's the problem though. No confidence in his late game free throw shooting.

  
  If you don't have confidence in shooting an uncontested, take-your-time 15 footer, no matter what time of the game it is, then you have no business pretending to be an all-time, iconic, mega-superstar.
  
  That was my thought as well, though. It simply looked like he lost all confidence in any shot past 10 feet, and that can't happen if you're an All-Star player, let alone LeBron James.
• wes_mantooth

  

  robj55;800922 wrote:I'm not saying he shouldn't , I blame the coaches for not making him post up more.

  
  He thinks he is above everyone...coaches included. Do you really believe that he has ever listened to a coach? Dru Joyce sat there for the ride in high school as well as every other coach he has had. His ego is uncoachable and until he realizes that he is not THE CHOSEN ONE, nothing will ever change. Also, even though I am sure NBA coaches try to tell him to post up or do whatever...and he doesnt listen....there is no coach in this league that has enough balls to confront him or bench him. They would lose their job sadly.
• robj55

  

  What won Dallas the series was the coaching and the ZONE defense, the zone defense kept Lebron and Wade from penetrating and getting to the hole and to the line. Lebron averaged 3 free throws per game which attest to my statement. Miami had no zone offense and they got stagnant when Dallas switched to the zone.
• wes_mantooth

  

  yeah, coaching was extremely one sided, but a player with the physical gifts of Lebron can penetrate that zone and cause havoc in the lane. He did exactly what he did with the Cavs....either chucked up broken jumpers or just flat out sat in the corner and did nothing.
  
  I do feel like I have slighted Dallas....they are a great team and a better team than Miami(key word is team). They were the aggressors and def earned that trophy.
• ksig489

  robj55;800922 wrote:I'm not saying he shouldn't , I blame the coaches for not making him post up more.

  
  Do you honestly believe he would listen to a young coach who doesnt have some huge pedigree to back up a name?
• robj55

  

  wes_mantooth;801109 wrote:yeah, coaching was extremely one sided, but a player with the physical gifts of Lebron can penetrate that zone and cause havoc in the lane. He did exactly what he did with the Cavs....either chucked up broken jumpers or just flat out sat in the corner and did nothing.
  
  I do feel like I have slighted Dallas....they are a great team and a better team than Miami(key word is team). They were the aggressors and def earned that trophy.

  
  
  You don't beat a zone by going one on one, you beat it by moving the ball and screening, miami was not prepared to go against the zone. Brilliant by Dallas.
• robj55

  

  ksig489;801110 wrote:Do you honestly believe he would listen to a young coach who doesnt have some huge pedigree to back up a name?

  
  He would listen to Pat Riley
• SportsAndLady

  

  robj55;801105 wrote:What won Dallas the series was the coaching and the ZONE defense, the zone defense kept Lebron and Wade from penetrating and getting to the hole and to the line. Lebron averaged 3 free throws per game which attest to my statement. Miami had no zone offense and they got stagnant when Dallas switched to the zone.

  
  So Rick Carlisle is some coaching genius, who figured out a way to stop Lebron James after 8 years of dominance? Give me a break, Carlisle was great, but he didn't just create some secret recipe to stop these guys. You say you're a Heat fan, so you'll understand reallllll quick that Lebron simply disappears in these type of games/series.
• robj55

  

  SportsAndLady;801119 wrote:So Rick Carlisle is some coaching genius, who figured out a way to stop Lebron James after 8 years of dominance? Give me a break, Carlisle was great, but he didn't just create some secret recipe to stop these guys. You say you're a Heat fan, so you'll understand reallllll quick that Lebron simply disappears in these type of games/series.

  You didn't read what i said at all, I said the zone won them the series because it kept them off the line and out of the lane.
• SportsAndLady

  

  robj55;801121 wrote:You didn't read what i said at all, I said the zone won them the series because it kept them off the line and out of the lane.

  
  Mavs won the series because Lebron disappeared. I thought that was pretty obvious.
• wes_mantooth

  

  robj55;801113 wrote:You don't beat a zone by going one on one, you beat it by moving the ball and screening, miami was not prepared to go against the zone. Brilliant by Dallas.

  
  yep and lebrons main weakness is moving without the ball. He has always been ball dominant....needs to learn to come off screens. Also, the quickest way to beat a zone is penetrate it...but that takes a quick pg and Miami doesn't have that.
• robj55

  

  wes_mantooth;801125 wrote:yep and lebrons main weakness is moving without the ball. He has always been ball dominant....needs to learn to come off screens. Also, the quickest way to beat a zone is penetrate it...but that takes a quick pg and Miami doesn't have that.

  
  All credit to Dallas, they weren't going to let Lebron do what he did against Chicago and Boston, the zone ensured that.
• se-alum

  

  robj55;801113 wrote:You don't beat a zone by going one on one, you beat it by moving the ball and screening, miami was not prepared to go against the zone. Brilliant by Dallas.

  You crush a zone by penetrating to the middle of the lane and having your wings cut to the basket or roam the baseline. LeBron doesn't work well enough off the ball to do that.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  
• ksig489

  GOAT post candidate ^^^
• robj55

  

  se-alum;801174 wrote:You crush a zone by penetrating to the middle of the lane and having your wings cut to the basket or roam the baseline. LeBron doesn't work well enough off the ball to do that.

  
  You beat it by getting it to the high post and kicking out to the wings for 3's or back door cuts, screens are also effective to get open wing shots, Miami did neither
• BR1986FB

  robj55;801115 wrote:He would listen to Pat Riley

  
  Not so sure about that. Spo is the HC but I'm sure that Riley had a lot of input and "suggestions" that were passed along to Lebron.
• se-alum

  

  robj55;801489 wrote:You beat it by getting it to the high post and kicking out to the wings for 3's or back door cuts, screens are also effective to get open wing shots, Miami did neither

  Agree, which proves LeBron's inability/unwillingness to move w/o the ball.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  I'm not sure if anyone posted this article from dead spin
  
  http://deadspin.com/5811396/lebron-james-is-still-a-cocksucker
  

  LeBron James Is STILL A Cocksucker
  
  Drew Magary — If you missed last night's schaudenfreudegasm with LeBron and the Heat getting lane-raped by J.J. Barea for 48 minutes, oh how you missed out. There hasn't been a more gratifying moment for sports haters since the Saints beat Favre and Manning back-to-back in the NFC title game and Super Bowl. It was glorious, delirious, WONDERFUL moment in hating. And the best part is that, come next year, we get to do it all over again!
  Because what's fucked with LeBron James isn't going to be unfucked. Everything that made him a complete cocksucker last summer is still there: the arrogance, the dismissiveness, the incredible lack of self-awareness. LeBron holds onto those qualities as if they were his own kin, or whichever kin of his hasn't been banging Delonte West. And he's never gonna shed them. Was it LeBron's fault that the Heat didn't win? Of course not. That was all God and shit. Did any of LeBron's critics have a point? Of course not. They were just people presumably suffering from unemployment and/or alcoholism:
  
  "All the people that was rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today," James said. "They have the same personal problems they had today."
  
  So true. Maybe you hate LeBron because you still can't accept the fact that you murdered that dockworker back in 1982. Can't you see how YOU'RE the one with the problem here?
  
  Everyone is piling on LeBron right now, and it's easy to see why Craggs and the like might get a little starchy when they read editorial after editorial about teamwork winning out over selfishness and character winning over talent and all those horrible magic unicorns that white sportswriters just love to toss out to the easily scandalized. But you know what? Sometimes, those fusty old columnists choose their targets CORRECTLY. Sometimes, they get it right, if only by sheer luck.
  
  Because there's nothing wrong with rooting for LeBron James to fail. It says nothing bad about you as a person to wish ill upon someone who is monstrously talented yet at the same time is also a world-class dipshit. LeBron James has never been arrested or caught with naughty drugs or done anything explicitly "immoral," I suppose. But that doesn't matter, because he's still a piece of shit anyway. His reaction in the wake of losing last night was even more predictable than his on-court meltdown. His personal blind spot is as large as Lenny Dykstra's or Charlie Sheen's. Take a look at this tweet from radio host Holden Kushner, who spoke with Dr. Jack Ramsay earlier today about LeBron:
  
  
  
  Think about it how fucked in the head you have to be to enter that kind of mindset. LeBron had complete control over The Decision, and was given a platform that ESPN has NEVER given any other person and never will. They gave LeBron so much freedom for that broadcast that it caused the entire network to questions its own principles. [Ed.'s note: Maybe they didn't.] And yet … they were fucking unfair? Is it ever wrong to hate someone who thinks this way? NO. No, it is not. Not only is it okay to hate LeBron, but it's a fucking character flaw on your part if you do not.
  
  There's no such thing as going overboard when it comes to enjoying LeBron's failure. Now, if he were the kind of person to sit at the podium after losing a game and say, "I really thought we were the better team, but we lost and we're gonna have to go back and work on it until we get it right, and I wish I hadn't been such a dipshit before," all that fun would instantly go away, because LeBron would be behaving like a normal human being. It's not fun to keep poking fun at someone once they learn to take the heat. But LeBron possesses a certain social retardation that forbids him from coming to such obvious conclusions about himself. That's why people get so frustrated with James. Because he's constantly acting like an entitled fuckwit and you're constantly saying, "How? How can he not SEE that he's acting like an entitled fuckwit?" And he doesn't! He totally doesn't. It seems virtually impossible that someone could be so oblivious, and yet here we are. And NOTHING has changed about the man. If anything, he's gotten even worse.
  
  LeBron is always going to be a failure because, in his mind, failure isn't failing. He's already King James (Seriously, he fucking announces it to people when sending a text.), and that is a title that, to him, is far better than "Six-Time NBA Champion" or whatever other title outsiders expect from him. He's the perfect bad guy because he's never going to change his ways. And that doesn't say anything about us, or about America, or about racism, or about any of that bullshit. It just says that LeBron is a cocksucker. And that he will always be.

• SportsAndLady

  

  ^lol wow
• I Wear Pants

  Excellent article.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Not only is it okay to hate LeBron, but it's a fucking character flaw on your part if you do not.

  My favorite line