Hall of Fame or Not??

• justincredible

  

  Commander of Awesome;772883 wrote:No to both. lol at you trying to bait ppl into saying rolen is a HOFer. Stop being a wimp and post the players name. Stats are for losers, when debating players I dont even look at stats. It should be a no brainer "Yes" when I think of the player. If I have to look at stats than the arguement is over.

  
  This is actually a common way we've discussed this kind of topic before. I believe Ironman92 used to do this a lot back on the huddle.
• BigAppleBuckeye

  

  Heretic;773015 wrote:Yes. Pittsburgh fans are the only ones who possibly overrate their own players to HoF status. Which is why this is a thread started by a Reds fan using a current Red's career stats to ask if he should be in the Hall. And why a Cleveland fan used Ozzie Smith being in to say that Omar Vizquel (former Indian) should be in if he's in. But it's only Pittsburgh fans. Bravo!

  
  I am not a Cleveland fan! Unless you are talking about Laley haha
• se-alum

  

  LOL.....some of you are looking too far into this. I'm not trying to get people to say Rolen should be in because I'm a Reds fan. There was a discussion about Rolen's importance to the lineup on another thread, that lead to me looking up his career stats out of curiosity, then I compared them to some stats of current HOF 3rd basemen just to see how he added up to them. That lead to this question. It's just a simple question about a player, not me somehow trying to promote a Reds player.
• Laley23

  

  BigAppleBuckeye;773028 wrote:I am not a Cleveland fan! Unless you are talking about Laley haha

  
  he means me, saying that if Ozzie is in, so should Omar. But Ill stad behind the statement till the day I die (but I wont have to, cause O will be in before I die).
• se-alum

  

  Also, yes, Vizquel should be in.
• Heretic

  

  Oh, I have no objections to Omar being in. I was just laughing at how Raw got hard because he got to argue with Rock and decided to come up with a cute argument about how apparently only Pittsburgh fans overrate their players on a thread that has nothing to do with Pittsburgh.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Heretic;773037 wrote:Oh, I have no objections to Omar being in. I was just laughing at how Raw got hard because he got to argue with Rock and decided to come up with a cute argument about how apparently only Pittsburgh fans overrate their players on a thread that has nothing to do with Pittsburgh.

  
  Slow day at work.
• Heretic

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;773051 wrote:Slow day at work.

  
  I can understand that. IE: Why I bothered responding.
• Ironman92

  

  I usually did this when I wanted to make others aware of a player with surprisingly good or bad career stats...before I started doing trivia.
• BigAppleBuckeye

  

  How about this guy? No longer active, do you think he is in the Hall of Fame or not?
  
  CAREER STATS - 19 Seasons
  
  .262 batting average
  324 HRs
  1225 RBI
  1025 runs
  39 SB
  3 Gold Gloves
  0 MVP Awards
• Laley23

  

  BigAppleBuckeye;773077 wrote:How about this guy? No longer active, do you think he is in the Hall of Fame or not?
  
  CAREER STATS - 19 Seasons
  
  .262 batting average
  324 HRs
  1225 RBI
  1025 runs
  39 SB
  3 Gold Gloves
  0 MVP Awards

  
  Gary Carter?
• Heretic

  

  Laley23;773109 wrote:Gary Carter?

  
  I'd say that Gary Carter at least has a marginally better shot of induction that Gary Majewski. But I'm no expert.
• vball10set

  not unless he wears (wore) pinstripes
• karen lotz

  

  How about this guy?
  
  18 Seasons
  
  .305 average
  2530 hits
  1523 runs
  440 HRs
  1518 RBI
  1 MVP
  1 WS
• Laley23

  

  karen lotz;773141 wrote:How about this guy?
  
  18 Seasons
  
  .305 average
  2530 hits
  1523 runs
  440 HRs
  1518 RBI
  1 MVP
  1 WS

  
  Yes. Is that Chipper?
• BigAppleBuckeye

  

  Laley23;773109 wrote:Gary Carter?

  Heretic;773120 wrote:I'd say that Gary Carter at least has a marginally better shot of induction that Gary Majewski. But I'm no expert.

  
  Bingo! Went in as an Expo, despite winning his ring with the Mets, weak!
• karen lotz

  

  Laley23;773145 wrote:Yes. Is that Chipper?

  
  Yeah. I agree he's a no doubter and possibly first ballot HOFer, but there always seems to be a lot of discussion whether he will get in.
• Heretic

  

  karen lotz;773184 wrote:Yeah. I agree he's a no doubter and possibly first ballot HOFer, but there always seems to be a lot of discussion whether he will get in.

  
  I wouldn't know why. He's in the no-brainer category for me. And I fucking hate the Atlanta Braves, and by proxy, you. I will never forget 1991 and 1992, you bastard!
• september63

  

  You have to realize these numbers arent all just cut and dry for the HOF. For instance, a guy that played Catcher for 15 yrs will get in with less numbers than an outfielder. The same usually goes for a 2nd baseman.
• karen lotz

  

  Heretic;773185 wrote:I wouldn't know why. He's in the no-brainer category for me. And I fucking hate the Atlanta Braves, and by proxy, you. I will never forget 1991 and 1992, you bastard!

  
  http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=3251567
  
  
• september63

  

  I agree Larry Wayne Jones is a 1st ballot HOF'er. I lived in Atlanta from 1992-2000 and went to about 12-15 games a year. I watched him grow up on the diamond. He had one hiccup off the field with the Hooters waitress but other than that never any legal issues and a pretty stand up guy.
• september63

  

  .273 Batting Average
  2814 Hits
  1418 Runs
  80 HR's
  75 Triples
  447 Doubles
  941 RBI's
  1014 BB's
  401 SB's
  11 Gold Gloves What you say?
• gorocks99

  

  I'd say no on Vizquel, his hit total is big but he's also played 22 seasons.
• Laley23

  

  september63;773202 wrote:.273 Batting Average
  2814 Hits
  1418 Runs
  80 HR's
  75 Triples
  447 Doubles
  941 RBI's
  1014 BB's
  401 SB's
  11 Gold Gloves What you say?

  
  O is a an easy yes for me. His hit total is large and a lot has been because of his years...but other than 1 year in SF, he hasnt "slowed" per se in the average category.
• Laley23

  

  karen lotz;773184 wrote:Yeah. I agree he's a no doubter and possibly first ballot HOFer, but there always seems to be a lot of discussion whether he will get in.

  
  I say easy yes, but I wouldnt say first ballot. He didnt dominate the league enough for me to be a first ballot. For me, first ballot guys have multiple MVPs/Cy Youngs and were dominant in the other years (perennial top 5 in those awards). The A-Rods, Pujols, Halladays, etc.
  
  The exception is a non offensive position, where you dominated the others at said position for the time frame (Jeter, Pudge, etc). But Chipper is a 3B, so he cant make that claim. Easily will be in after the first ballot though.