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Manny Ramirez Retires

  • Ironman92
    No one knows but Manny...but 1998 and on looks fishy.

    He was very good before 1998 with an excellent OPS...but a significant jump in many areas was made.

    The extreme hard work didn't help much of anything late in his career...which to me says he didn't lose any time off of his career due to steroids. Many players aren't worth a crap after age 36.

    I'm really not sure how much you could put him ahead of Juan Gonzalez as far as production when he played....but being an Ohio board I don't expect anyone to agree with me. Both were insanely productive, Manny was a little better hitter and worked a little harder at it and lasted a few years longer......but both were users that I believe greatly padded their numbers.
  • grodt
    Manny was one of the best right-handed hitters of my lifetime and of all time. You don't hit a baseball like he did without being insanely talented. I'm not sure when he started using PEDs but in 1998 he was 26. That's when many players enter their primes. His numbers didn't take an extreme hike, just as much as you'd expect from a great player hitting his prime. Really his numbers seem to follow a normal arc until maybe 2006 or 2008.

    Here's a story Orlando Cabrera told to Jordan Bastian about Manny.

    “He’d be the first person you’d see watching the videos,” Cabrera said. “He’d just watch them quiet, like he didn’t want anybody watching him studying the pitchers.”

    Once in New York, Cabrera saw Ramirez studying Yankees pitcher Mike Mussina. Ramirez was not watching his at-bats, though. Instead, he was breaking down at-bats of other No. 3 hitters who faced Mussina that season. Curious about the approach, Cabrera asked Ramirez about his plan.

    “I said, ‘Hey, what are you going to do?’” Cabrera recalled. “He goes, ‘Second at-bat, third pitch, I’m going to hit a curveball. Home run.’ He goes, ‘Dont tell anybody.’”

    On Sept. 24, 2004, Ramirez strolled to the plate against Mussina in the third inning. He only saw two pitches in his first at-bat of the game. The next pitch released by Mussina sailed out of Fenway Park for a two-run home run.

    “Third pitch. Breaking ball. Boom,” Cabrera said. “I was like, ‘That’s why I cant be like you. That’s incredible.’ I tell that story and people don’t believe it. I saw it.”
  • Ironman92
    power numbers increased a good bit more than a typical arc from 97 to 98


    Like we all agree....Manny was such a great hitter and I feel HOF likely regardless of his additional help. But man he did so much to taint it.