Mangini fired, per ESPN

• Lovejoy1984

  

  No link yet, Adam Schefter just reported it live.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  I heard Schefter reporting this morning that there is a good chance the Browns might go after Marty Morningwig. For the love of God, PLEASE do not do this Browns. You would be better off keeping Man-gina over this do-do bird. Ughhhh
  
  Why can't the Browns do anything right?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Already being discussed in the Browns offseason thread.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  Cleveland Browns fire Eric Mangini after another 5-11 season - http://es.pn/icPEiT
• Skyhook79

  

  Scarlet_Buckeye;622841 wrote:I heard Schefter reporting this morning that there is a good chance the Browns might go after Marty Morningwig. For the love of God, PLEASE do not do this Browns. You would be better off keeping Man-gina over this do-do bird. Ughhhh
  
  Why can't the Browns do anything right?

  
  
  Why are you afraid he kick it if they won the coin toss in OT?
• derek bomar

  

  Commander of Awesome;622844 wrote:Already being discussed in the Browns offseason thread.

  
  no it isn't. you're the only one who has mentioned it
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Refering to Marty MoronFAIL as a HC canidate. Nice fail though.
• derek bomar

  

  Commander of Awesome;622862 wrote:Refering to Marty MoronFAIL as a HC canidate. Nice fail though.

  
  how about you be more specific in your posts then? and fail? you're so 2010
• IggyPride00

  

  Only in Cleveland can someone (Holmgren) consider it a good idea to bring in a coach with a career record of 5-27 as a head coach to a team that desperately needs someone to instill a winning culture to the players.
  
  They will take him about as seriously as someone would a 600 pound obese personal trainer giving diet tips.
  
  Holmgren is going to lose the fan base if he does that, but he appears to have a tin ear when it comes to hearing the truth about how bad an idea this is.
• Tiernan

  Hope they pick up Rodriguez.
• Speedofsand

  

  NFL Network saying John Fox and Jon Gruden are on Holmgren's short list.
• IggyPride00

  

  Finding a way to hire Jon Gruden would set the fan base on fire, and if Holmgren has half a brain he will do any and everything he can to make it happen.
• derek bomar

  

  I swear to God, if they pickup John Fox I am going to punch someone. We can't be the place where Carolina Panthers come to die.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  IggyPride00;622877 wrote:Finding a way to hire Jon Gruden would set the fan base on fire, and if Holmgren has half a brain he will do any and everything he can to make it happen.

  
  Why?
  
  Gruden is the guy who took a perfect situation (the talent that won a Superbowl) and tore it to shreds in just a few years.
  
  Throw in the fact that the Browns are starting over yet again, and I find nothing to get excited about.
• Non

  

  Gruden will want that job, I believe.
  
  Born in Ohio, went to college in Ohio.
  
  Also has the history working with Holmgren.
• Pick6

  

  Writerbuckeye;622883 wrote:Why?
  
  Gruden is the guy who took a perfect situation (the talent that won a Superbowl) and tore it to shreds in just a few years.
  
  Throw in the fact that the Browns are starting over yet again, and I find nothing to get excited about.

  I believe he also built the Raiders up.
• like_that

  

  Gruden won't have that same type of power anyway if he comes to Cleveland.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Holmgren better be able to bring in a better coach than Fox or Morningwig.
• ts1227

  

  Gruden has also worked underneath of Holmgren before, so he may be OK with him having some of the power.
• IggyPride00

  

  Writerbuckeye;622883 wrote:Why?
  
  Gruden is the guy who took a perfect situation (the talent that won a Superbowl) and tore it to shreds in just a few years.
  
  Throw in the fact that the Browns are starting over yet again, and I find nothing to get excited about.

  
  Things didn't end well in Tampa for him, but he did get them over the hump and won a SB which counts for something. Couple that with the fact he managed to take an abhorently bad Raiders franchise and got them deep in the playoffs (and it was his roster that he beat in the SB that next year) and the guy has a track record at least that people will respect.
  
  We were rebuilding whether Mangini was fired or not because this roster does not have NFL talent save for a few positions. I would rather do it with a coach that has shown he can win, and will be on the same page with Holmgren as they are both West Coast offense guys, and will fill out the roster accordingly.
  
  McCoy ran that at Texas and is very comfortable with it, and as I have said in another thread I think Gruden could groom him to be a Rich Gannon type quarterback as he also had a marginal arm but was super accurate and made good decisions.
  
  It doesn't even have to be Gruden, but absolutely no more defense first coaches as we have had a decade of that now (Butch, Romeo, Mangini) and it hasn't worked. You need to be able to score points to win NFL games.
• Skyhook79

  

  1. Jeff Fisher
  2. Jon Gruden
  3. Marty Shotenheimer (yay, I said it!)
• thedynasty1998

  

  IggyPride00;622901 wrote:McCoy ran that at Texas and is very comfortable with it, and as I have said in another thread I think Gruden could groom him to be a Rich Gannon type quarterback as he also had a marginal arm but was super accurate and made good decisions.

  
  The NFL has changed since the days of Gannon though. You need a QB who can throw it all over the field to be elite in today's NFL.
  
  Look at the leading rushers in the NFL this year: 6 of the top 10 rushers are not in the playoffs.
  
  The NFL is a passing league.
• like_that

  

  I would love if Marty Shot came back to Cleveland. I like your top 3.
• like_that

  

  thedynasty1998;622905 wrote:The NFL has changed since the days of Gannon though. You need a QB who can throw it all over the field to be elite in today's NFL.
  
  Look at the leading rushers in the NFL this year: 6 of the top 10 rushers are not in the playoffs.
  
  The NFL is a passing league.

  You mean like the time Gannon passed for at least 3,500 yards in his first 4 seasons with the Raiders before getting old and banged up? Or how about the time he threw for over 4,600 yards? Doesn't sound like a passing team to me.... Quit spewing bullshit, and actually check your facts next time.
• shook_17

  

  like_that;622893 wrote:Gruden won't have that same type of power anyway if he comes to Cleveland.

  thank you. im glad somebody finally said it. gruden will coach and only coach. he won't make personal decisions.