REPORT: Mangini out, Holmgren in...Surprised?

• IggyPride00

  

  iclfan2;622358 wrote:Don't know much about him, but don't really want him from what I do know. Andy Reid calls all of the plays, and he once chose to kick in OT instead of receive, and promptly lost. I guess I just don't see the upside.

  
  Whatever goodwill Holmgren has built up in Cleveland will fly out the window if he tries Morningwheg after his disastrous stint in Detroit.
  
  He need look no further than Brad Childress to see how well it works out when you have a Reid assistant who doesn't even call plays as offensive coordinator. Childress was exposed when he was not able to ride Reid's coatails, and Cleveland doesn't need to have Marty remind everyone that his experience in Detroit is what everyone knows he is as a head coach.
• iclfan2

  

  Grossi, who I don't really put any reliance on, thinks Holmgren will step into coach, implement WCO, and retain Ryan and Seely. However, he thinks he won't announce it until he interviews a minority (which I hate the rule, but that is for a different thread).
• wes_mantooth

  

  Peter King is reporting that it will be Mornhinweg.
• like_that

  

  If it's Morninweg we might as well discuss who our new coach will be in a couple years. That would be the biggest joke of a hire I have ever seen.
• jordo212000

  

  Wow. Morningweg? Are you serious? If I were a Browns fan, I'd much rather keep Mangini around.
• iclfan2

  

  I don't really see anyone I want other than Gruden or MH himself.
• IggyPride00

  

  Man Holmgren is so desperate to give Marty another shot it is ridiculous.
  
  He is going to turn the fan base against him right now for no reason. Mornhinweg was 5-27 in 2 seasons in Detroit. How the fuck do you sell that to the fan base as the guy who is going to take us out of the doldrums? He doesn't even call the plays in Philly, so its not like we can assume he is some offensive wizard that can bring that to Cleveland. Ask Minnesota how that turned out for them before Favre pulled Chilly's ass out of the fire last year.
  
  I have heard that all season that M.M is Holmgren's guy, and it is a super buzz kill that it is looking like it will be a reality as I have zero faith this will do anything but depress the players and fan base when reality strikes that one of the worst H.C's in NFL history is the new captain of our ship.
• Tigerfan00

  

  WOW. Are they trying to get football out of Cleveland again?
• shook_17

  

  i really hope eric is gone, after today i am convinced these players quit on him today. i have season tickets and i for one am glad this season is over. i thought rob ryan was the man for our defense but i was wrong, after seeing what the bills and bengals did to our defense, and when our defense needed a stop we couldn't do it. so good bye mangini daboll and ryan. whoever holmgren and heckert decide to bring in as our head coach i will support. lets hope we have another monster draft and get a couple stud FA and we can win some games next year.
• OQB

  

  IggyPride00;622525 wrote:Man Holmgren is so desperate to give Marty another shot it is ridiculous.
  
  He is going to turn the fan base against him right now for no reason. Mornhinweg was 5-27 in 2 seasons in Detroit. How the fuck do you sell that to the fan base as the guy who is going to take us out of the doldrums? He doesn't even call the plays in Philly, so its not like we can assume he is some offensive wizard that can bring that to Cleveland. Ask Minnesota how that turned out for them before Favre pulled Chilly's ass out of the fire last year.
  
  I have heard that all season that M.M is Holmgren's guy, and it is a super buzz kill that it is looking like it will be a reality as I have zero faith this will do anything but depress the players and fan base when reality strikes that one of the worst H.C's in NFL history is the new captain of our ship.

  
  Agreed!! I would definately consider finding a new team to root for if he hires another no name coach that hasn't done a thing in the NFL.
• Sonofanump

  Is Morningwheg an offense or defense guy? Perhaphs he forces Mangini to bring him in to replace Dabol.
• Red Saul

  

  John Gruden would be my #1 choice.
  
  I think Jeff Fisher ends up in Miami if he is not brought back.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  Look, I'm no fan of Morningwheg...but I will also say that it's not entirely fair to assume he's going to be a lousy head coach based on his record in Detroit. He coached under Matt Millen. His quarterbacks were Charlie Batch and Joey Harrington. His best receiver was Az Hakim. I'm pretty sure most coaches would struggle with those circumstances. I trust Holmgren's judgement, it's what the Browns hired him to do...make football decisions. If Morningwheg is his guy than I'll give him a chance.
• ts1227

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;623830 wrote:Look, I'm no fan of Morningwheg...but I will also say that it's not entirely fair to assume he's going to be a lousy head coach based on his record in Detroit. He coached under Matt Millen. His quarterbacks were Charlie Batch and Joey Harrington. His best receiver was Az Hakim. I'm pretty sure most coaches would struggle with those circumstances. I trust Holmgren's judgement, it's what the Browns hired him to do...make football decisions. If Morningwheg is his guy than I'll give him a chance.

  
  However, bad players had nothing to do with him taking the wind and kicking off after winning an OT coin toss.
• OQB

  

  I could see Holmgren bringing in Brett Favre to be the QB coach and mentor Colt McCoy....
• THE4RINGZ

  

  OrrvilleQB;623902 wrote:I could see Holmgren bringing in Brett Favre to be the QB coach and mentor Colt McCoy....

  Yes and Favre can ride into town on my pet unicorn.
• 77Legend

  

  This move is exactly why Cleveland will not win anything. They played with a rookie QB! Another restart and they will fire the next coach in 3 years.......
• OQB

  

  77Legend..... Stability and commitment builds a winning organization and today's move just proved that we will not get out of rebuilding mode for a long time.....
  
  Ringz, I don't even know what to respond to you with...haha if he sexually harrasses you on that unicorn are you going to press charges?
• THE4RINGZ

  

  I have a feeling I am not Brett's type.
  
  But speaking of consistency the Steelers have had three head coaches since 1969. No one there wonders if they will have a job tomorrow so they just go play football within their system.
• OQB

  

  I bet your italian wife is his type......
  
  And that is why the Steelers have such a great tradition.....they draft better than anyone, their assistant coaches develop the talent to succeed in their systems, and they have the winning attitude. The Browns have none of that!
• THE4RINGZ

  

  Is this the first time you and I have agreed on something OrrvilleQB?
  You wanna head to the garage and practice karate?
• OQB

  

  Haha, I wouldn't say it's the first time, but it is rare.....
  
  Did we just become best friends.....yup
• THE4RINGZ

  

  Can we make our beds into bunk beds?
  
  Can we?
  
  
  
  Can we?
  
  
  
  
  
  Well, can we?
• OQB

  

  No power tools....
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  ts1227;623876 wrote:However, bad players had nothing to do with him taking the wind and kicking off after winning an OT coin toss.

  
  Good point, but that was what? 8 years ago? I would think he would be a little more knowledgeable about overtime strategy since then