Reds Vs. Giants: Game 3

• osu45804

  

  Good thing is Reds win & CoCo gets the win..... Bad thing is, I wasn't expecting a loss on my fantasy team w/ Zito today lol
• Mooney44Cards

  

  Pirates up 4-0 on the Cardinals now....
• charliehustle14

  The Reds are bottom dwellers without Votto, that's for sure. No matter how much the Reds piss me off, I can't help but marvel at Vottomatic.
• Ironman92

  

  Uh.....Reds wouldn't be crap without Pujols......it's going down to the wire....we can be homers but it's going down to the last game on the MVP race.
• Jughead

  

  Ironman92;461925 wrote:Uh.....Reds wouldn't be crap without Pujols......it's going down to the wire....we can be homers but it's going down to the last game on the MVP race.

  
  
• Ironman92

  

  lol.....I messed up! lol
  
  The Cardinals WOULDN'T be crap without Pujols
  
  If the Reds had Pujols we'd be ready for the AL game.
• wildcats20

  

  Ironman92;461950 wrote:lol.....I messed up! lol
  
  The Cardinals WOULDN'T be crap without Pujols
  
  If the Reds had Pujols we'd be ready for the AL game.

  
  Alternate Pujols and Votto between 1st and DH every game. I like it lol
• mhs95_06

  charliehustle14;461912 wrote: we won? we won? we won!!! Now we're screwed for the next week or so.

  
  Why? Because of pitching? I really think they are not that bad of shape except for the confidence of Ondrusek, Wood, and Leake. I don't think anyone is so overextended that they won't be in pretty good shape after the off day. Here is the damage for the series in which they allowed at least 11 runs in each game(12.21 ERA) and a total of 38 for the series with the Giants in which they were lucky to win the one game(what a big difference from a sweep):
  
  pitcher - ERA(IP)
  Leake - 162.0 (0.1)
  Volquez - 67.5 (0.2)
  Ondrusek - 31.5 (2)
  Rhodes - 27.0 (1)
  Wood - 15.75 (4)
  LeCure - 9.0 (3)
  Bailey - 8.44 (5.1)
  Smith - 4.15 (4.1)
  Bray - 0.00 (2.2) allowed 2 inherited runners to score
  Cordero - 0.00 (2)
  Masset - 0.00 (2.2)
• Ironman92

  

  Right now the only Reds pitchers I really trust are Massett and Arroyo
• mhs95_06

  Ironman92;461975 wrote:Right now the only Reds pitchers I really trust are Massett and Arroyo

  
  I agree!
• wildcats20

  

  Pirates are still beating the Cards 4-1 in the 8th.
• Ironman92

  

  Hold em off! Meek was heavily used last night in the nail biter
• dave

  Ironman92;461975 wrote:Right now the only Reds pitchers I really trust are Massett and Arroyo

  
  Rhodes?
• Ironman92

  

  Rhodes has had a tremendous year...I feel he is a little tired and not locating as well. He's been hit a little bit of late. Better than the others and formidable....yes......but I definately don't have the confidence I did.
  
  
  Right now I trust Masset like I did Rhodes earlier this year.
• wildcats20

  

  5-1 Buccos after 8.
• Ironman92

  

  that's big.....good series Pirates!
• dave

  I'm pretty sure Rhodes has been almost unhittable since the all star break up until today.
• Ironman92

  

  I simply say that a few times of late his location hasn't been as good......he's still getting it done (outside of today).......but I still say he's having to battle more and I'm a little weary of him and his age at this point in the season.
• gerb131

  

  What the hell did I miss? I'll have to catch the highlights.
• mhs95_06

  Rhodes has pitched 49 innings with 10 earned runs allowed for a 1.84 ERA. The runs he has given up:
  
  4/10 1R vs Cubs, Reds lost 4-3 and he took the L
  6/29 3R vs Phils, Reds lost 9-6 and he took the L
  7/9 2R @Phils, Reds lost 9-7 and he took the L
  7/31 1R vs Nats, Reds lost 8-5
  8/25 3R @Giants, Reds won 12-11, he gave up the tying and go behind runs, but the comeback bailed him out
  
  
  Cordero has pitched 60.1 innings, and given up 24 earned runs for a 3.70 ERA. He has blown 6 saves and saved 34, and lost 4 games. In only one blown save did he also take the loss, so he has not blown completely the chances of the team to win very often. So that is 9 games where he has cost the team the chance to win or seal the win. And Arthur has had the 3 losses and today's blown save.
  
  So Arthur's 4 to 9 ratio(44.4%) compared to Coco is pretty close to their ERA ratio 1.84 to 3.70 (49.7%)! If you ratio up Arthur's bad games to correct for innings pitched, then the 4/9 ratio becomes 4.923/9(54.7%). So Coco has a bad game about twice as often as Arthur, but I'll bet the perception is that Coco is many times more worse than the just double that the numbers say. I wonder about clean appearances, how that would compare? What percent of each appearances that the pitcher allows no one to reach base. I'll bet that would be closer between them than you'd think. But what is it $3 million salary to $12 million with the most money going to the pitcher with a lower percentage of successful outings.
• Ironman92

  

  yeah....I was simply going by my eyes...a little Dustyball by I92