Jhonny says goodbye to Tribe....Hello, Kitty !

• wes_mantooth

  

  BRF;435932 wrote:Moon Pie's legacy here will be that he holds the all-time club record for home runs by a shortstop in one season. I can't believe that br1986fb hasn't posted here yet.

  
  br1986fb has soured on this site...he got tired of the constant trolling by some. Hopefully he comes back before Browns season gets into full swing.
• BRF

  

  Thanks for the heads up, Wes. I had noticed his absence and just chalked it up to summer vacation. I will be getting in touch with my main man and try to talk him through it!
• HitsRus

  

  I may be the only guy on this site that appreciated Peralta. For all of the Tribe's woes the past few years, Peralta was never the problem. Most certainly the money paid him was not wasted. There is something to be said for a player that goes out and does a solid major league job day after day. Sure it's nice to have a team of allstars, but most teams aren't the Yankees. Moreover, 'allstars' that are constantly on the DL don't do your team much good either. the Tribe has wasted a lot of money on guys who have spent a large part of their contracts on the DL.
  Hafner, Westbrook, Sizemore...those are guys who didn't earn the high price they were paid. Peralta, on the other hand, was out there every day, doing a workman's job earning a modest salary.
  Most managers like guys they can count on....and so does Dave Dombrowski apparently.
• balk14

  i agree that laffey hasnt been given a consistent shot in a role that isnt changing every 2 months...but the point of all this is that THESE ARE NOT PITCHERS YOU BUILD A CLUB AROUND...cleveland continues to stockpile these jamie moyer wannabes
  
  look at the successful teams - they bring in young power pitchers and work towards developing some control in them/use them in trades because they are arms that other teams actually have interest in
  
  as far as gaining velocity id say theres room for A LITTLE improvement...but hes a year in meaning hes been working w pro level strength and conditioning coaches for at least that long...everything ive read says hes almost completely polished meaning there isnt a whole lot they have to fix...bad news because you can always correct a delivery flaw but adding 10+ mph = impossible
• balk14

  HitsRus;435977 wrote:I may be the only guy on this site that appreciated Peralta. For all of the Tribe's woes the past few years, Peralta was never the problem. Most certainly the money paid him was not wasted. There is something to be said for a player that goes out and does a solid major league job day after day. Sure it's nice to have a team of allstars, but most teams aren't the Yankees. Moreover, 'allstars' that are constantly on the DL don't do your team much good either. the Tribe has wasted a lot of money on guys who have spent a large part of their contracts on the DL.
  Hafner, Westbrook, Sizemore...those are guys who didn't earn the high price they were paid. Peralta, on the other hand, was out there every day, doing a workman's job earning a modest salary.
  Most managers like guys they can count on....and so does Dave Dombrowski apparently.

  
  agreed...also there was a stat out there floating around a couple years ago saying that peralta was top 5 in the majors in fielding % of plays within his zone...granted his zone is much smaller than others due to his lack of speed/quickness...but still speaks to his reliability and consistency
• Tigerfan00

  

  Its ashame that the good strides that Chisenall has made and he wont be able to play third base at the major league level. If they can fine another position for him to play then thats fine but it wont be 3rd.
• Mulva

  

  wes_mantooth;435929 wrote:Question...at 19 yrs of age, isn't it possible that he may gain some mph on his fastball still? Not saying it is going to happen, but he is a very young guy.

  
  I would think so, but the guy doesn't even top out at 90 right now. Even if he adds 2-3 MPH to his fastball he'll still be throwing in the 88-91 range.
• HitsRus

  

  The kid is listed at 6'3"...155lbs....a real bean pole. He has the height to take on some weight, and with that some strength. Could very likely add 5-7 MPH easily.
  
  Besides...most people on here would take a bag of balls for JP. Well, you got it.
• newarkcatholicfan

  

  Another low level pitcher for a starting major league player.
• HitsRus

  

  at least this one doesn't have a bum arm( see Cliff Lee trade)
• From the Hills

  

  You guys sticking up for Peralta are blind. The only time I remember him playing anything close to consistently good baseball was during the 07' playoffs vs. Boston. Other than that he has been a constant underachiever who never seemed to work on his game. He was a constant rally killer and a defensive liability. Can't see Leyland putting up with his unmotivated play past this year.
• HitsRus

  

  Peralta has always been middle of the pack defensively. What he lacks in range, he makes up for in consistency. Other guys make spectacular plays...but then they boot the routine stuff. He is a career .270 hitter with runners in scoring position. That makes him neither a rally killer or a defensive liability, no matter what your perception is. He is not an all star, but neither is he a bum.
• newarkcatholicfan

  

  Hits,
  You and I have had out differences on here this time is not one of them.
  J.P. was not the problem on this team.
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^^What the problem on this team is....is that the guys who aren't the problem are the guys who get traded.
  
  NCF...you and I agree more than you probably realize...I just get on you when I think you are acting 'under the bridge'. When you stick to baseball, I respect your posts.
• From the Hills

  

  Closer to a bum than an all star for sure. Your stat for career batting average with runners in scoring position is a bit misleading. He has consistently been among the league leaders (top 10) in double plays grounded into and strikeouts during his whole career. Also, he committed the second most errors among third baseman in the American League last year. However, Tiger fans are used to that type of defensive consistency at 3rd base. Last years leader for errors was Brandon Inge.
• KnightXC1

  

  And he starts his Tigers career with a home run off Jon Lester!
• dat dude

  Peralta with another HR!!
• From the Hills

  

  Enjoy it while you can, before the strikeouts and double play balls start piling up.
• HitsRus

  

  Hills...YOUR stats about him having the second most errors, K's, DP s etc are misleading too because Peralta also plays 148 games a year, leads in AB's etc. Such is the case with guys who don't linger on the DL.
  
  Maybe JP's production #'s have been down because he doesn't have anyone else around him in the batting order....now he's with the Kitties....we'll see how he hits.
  Oh, wait! did he hit 2 HR's tonite?
  
  More and more, the incompetency of the owner and front office becomes apparent. Anybody notice how many ex-tribesman were all stars this year? Guys that couldn't win with the Indians are having big years elsewhere. Three of the top 5 AL pitchers...Pavano Sabathia Lee. Traded for a a bunch of low level and AAAA players because the owner won't take a hit to keep a competitive team on the field.
• From the Hills

  

  Hits, your last paragraph is spot on and I have been convinced for quite a while now the Indians won't contend again under Dolan's ownership. As far as Peralta I guess we'll agree to disagree.
  
  I doubt the guy has a multiple homer game the rest of the year. Saturdays 0 for 3 is what Tiger fans should get used to. Wait till he gets back to Comerica and its pitching friendly dimensions. He won't have anything more than warning track power.
• dat dude

  Peralta: 2-4 2B, game tying RBI in top of 9th off Papelbon
• From the Hills

  

  dat dude;438717 wrote:Peralta: 2-4 2B, game tying RBI in top of 9th off Papelbon

  
  He'll come back to earth soon and the Motor City Kitties still lost.