So let me get this straight...Lebron won 60+ games with the "talentless" cavs, but...
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2quik4u
people say that the heat shouldn't be expected to win a ring every year?
How the fuck do you not have to win every year with wade and bosh if you were good enough to have the best record in the league TWICE in a row playing with 11 bums?
One of you explain this to me.
you say "the cavs didn't even have a legit 3rd option, they suck" now he's got 2 first options to play with and great role players in chalmers, haslem and miller. why should they not be expected to win a ring every single year, considering the fact that the cavs (who had no talent outside of lebron) were favorites the last 2 years?
somebody help me understand. break it down like im a 1st grader,because i don't see it -
Jughead
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sjmvsfscs08I agree, if they ever lose they should meet a firing squad.
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enigmaaxUm, so, it took you like five days to think of that?
But, here's a flaw in your logic. You are only comparing Miami to a Cleveland team that didn't win a title. If you want to determine why they shouldn't be expected to win every year, you have to compare them to their actual competition. And it isn't a three man game. And there's also a coach on the sidelines.
So right off the top of my head, you have Los Angeles with a coach who has 11 rings and a leader with 5 already. Then you have Boston with a title, three perhaps equally talented players and a proven coach. In Miami you have two guys who have scored a lot of points and not won shit and one damn good player with a ring. Look at the depth - Miami doesn't even have a roster yet. Oh and, who is their coach again? -
wes_mantooth
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Footwedge
Only flipping Oxycontin addicts think the Cavs team had 11 blooming idiots last year. Come talk to me after the Cavs grab the 6 seed next season.2quik4u;422862 wrote:people say that the heat shouldn't be expected to win a ring every year?
How the fuck do you not have to win every year with wade and bosh if you were good enough to have the best record in the league TWICE in a row playing with 11 bums?
One of you explain this to me.
you say "the cavs didn't even have a legit 3rd option, they suck" now he's got 2 first options to play with and great role players in chalmers, haslem and miller. why should they not be expected to win a ring every single year, considering the fact that the cavs (who had no talent outside of lebron) were favorites the last 2 years?
somebody help me understand. break it down like im a 1st grader,because i don't see it -
GOONx19
Off topic, but what's the name of that Stump the Schwab type trivia site? I wanna see if they have a NBA or NFL head coaches quiz. Even MLB, I'm almost positive I could name them all.enigmaax;422875 wrote:Um, so, it took you like five days to think of that?
But, here's a flaw in your logic. You are only comparing Miami to a Cleveland team that didn't win a title. If you want to determine why they shouldn't be expected to win every year, you have to compare them to their actual competition. And it isn't a three man game. And there's also a coach on the sidelines.
So right off the top of my head, you have Los Angeles with a coach who has 11 rings and a leader with 5 already. Then you have Boston with a title, three perhaps equally talented players and a proven coach. In Miami you have two guys who have scored a lot of points and not won shit and one damn good player with a ring. Look at the depth - Miami doesn't even have a roster yet. Oh and, who is their coach again? -
Hb31187
Because this is an ohio board and 90% of the peopel who frequent this forum are still butt hurt that he left. -
enigmaaxGOONx19;422911 wrote:Off topic, but what's the name of that Stump the Schwab type trivia site? I wanna see if they have a NBA or NFL head coaches quiz. Even MLB, I'm almost positive I could name them all.
Sporcle? -
mxwlsmrt
I'm not butt hurt that he left. I'm down-right pissed about the way he did it! -
GOONx19
Yeah, that's it. Thanks.enigmaax;422923 wrote:Sporcle? -
ts1227
I don't know about that, NE Ohio loves their OxycontinFootwedge;422898 wrote:Only flipping Oxycontin addicts think the Cavs team had 11 blooming idiots last year. Come talk to me after the Cavs grab the 6 seed next season.
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2quik4u
enigmaax;422875 wrote:Um, so, it took you like five days to think of that?
But, here's a flaw in your logic. You are only comparing Miami to a Cleveland team that didn't win a title. If you want to determine why they shouldn't be expected to win every year, you have to compare them to their actual competition. And it isn't a three man game. And there's also a coach on the sidelines.
So right off the top of my head, you have Los Angeles with a coach who has 11 rings and a leader with 5 already. Then you have Boston with a title, three perhaps equally talented players and a proven coach. In Miami you have two guys who have scored a lot of points and not won shit and one damn good player with a ring. Look at the depth - Miami doesn't even have a roster yet. Oh and, who is their coach again?
Competition has nothing to do with this. What im saying is if Lebron can win 60 + games with bums then he should be able to win a title every year with the 3rd best player and best power forward in the game. -
enigmaax2quik4u;422933 wrote:Competition has nothing to do with this. What im saying is if Lebron can win 60 + games with bums then he should be able to win a title every year with the 3rd best player and best power forward in the game.
Um, okay. Competition has nothing to do with it. Except that they have to play teams not called the Cavs roster in 2010. If you were saying, how can the 2011 Miami Heat not beat the 2010 Cleveland Cavs you might have a point. That isn't who they are going to play so your comparison has no validity whatsoever.
If the Cavs had won the title with that team, then sure, there'd be no reason to expect that they wouldn't win in Miami. LeBron would've already beaten the competition he's facing now. Since he couldn't beat those teams before, there's no telling what the actual gap was between them. These new players might be enough, but they might not.
The biggest thing is that you talk about 60+ regular season wins as some watermark. It isn't. It doesn't mean shit. Playoffs are matchups and a completely different dynamic. -
2quik4u
enigmaax;422972 wrote:Um, okay. Competition has nothing to do with it. Except that they have to play teams not called the Cavs roster in 2010. If you were saying, how can the 2011 Miami Heat not beat the 2010 Cleveland Cavs you might have a point. That isn't who they are going to play so your comparison has no validity whatsoever.
If the Cavs had won the title with that team, then sure, there'd be no reason to expect that they wouldn't win in Miami. LeBron would've already beaten the competition he's facing now. Since he couldn't beat those teams before, there's no telling what the actual gap was between them. These new players might be enough, but they might not.
The biggest thing is that you talk about 60+ regular season wins as some watermark. It isn't. It doesn't mean shit. Playoffs are matchups and a completely different dynamic.
Going into the playoffs they had the best team in the league 2 years in a row you can say regular season doesn't matter, i dont give shit, fact is they had the best team going into the playoffs and they were the favorites both years to win the title. Now they lost in the east finals last year and then lebron pretty much quit against boston this year. If Lebron can make these bums into the best team into the league, why shouldn't we expect nothing less then a title if he is playing with the 3rd best player and the best power forward?
Also to say regular season doesn't mean shit is a stupid and idiotic comment this is the first time ever that a team with the best record two years in a row hasn't won a title