Andy Pettitte Hall of Fame?

• Non

  

  only a two-time All-Star selection
  
  3.86 ERA for career is solid but not spectacular
  
  238 wins
  
  but I think what gets him in is the postseason -- 18 career wins and six series-clinching victories
  
  he did admit to using HGH to help heal from injuries if you can believe that one
  
  I say in because of the postseason
• Laley23

  

  Its an interesting debate. His ERA isnt great, but he was in the steroid era...but at the same time he is arguably part of that as well. Id be inclined to say he will get in, but Im not sure at this point it is 100% justified.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Baseball is boring, so who cares
• HitsRus

  

  Absolutely NOT....unless you put the Dutchman in first. Blyleven had 287 wins and a 3.31 ERA....and he has been denied over and over. Post season? Blah....he had the opportunity to play with the best teams money could buy. The Yankees buy a ticket to the post seson nearly every year....is it any wonder he has those stats?
  
  
  No NO...nice career but not HOF.
• Non

  

  I'm not a Yankees fan but I think a lot of those postseason performances were clutch and well pitched, as opposed to being just on the team that won.
  
  It's an interesting debate, though.
  
  He hasn't been a dominant ace kind of pitcher for most of his career, usually like the No. 2 or No. 3 guy on the staff.
• Laley23

  

  ^^^I think he meant, if your in the postseason ever year your gonna accumulate wins and series clinchers.
• Heretic

  

  No. As Hits alluded to, Pettitte is essentially a second-class Blyleven...with HGH shit in the open concerning his career. The big knock against Bert B. is that his stats are more the result of being good for a REALLY long amount of time...but not being exceptional. At least that's what I gather by the fact he's not in the HoF. Pettitte's an inferior version of that...but with admittedly great postseason numbers. I mean...he's not some chump...he's definitely in the elite tier of players who aren't HoF material...but I just can't see him as deserving of the Hall.
• Laley23

  

  Upon further review. Very good pitcher, but shouldnt touch the HOF.
• Non

  

  Laley23;403317 wrote:^^^I think he meant, if your in the postseason ever year your gonna accumulate wins and series clinchers.

  
  Maybe but even with the other great Yankees pitchers he had the most wins and series clinching wins in the postseason. 7-1 in the ALCS alone.
  
  I'm in favor of clutch performances over stats sometimes I think it adds more identity to the player.
• Laley23

  

  I dont feel like looking it up...but what other Yankee pitcher has been around for all those postseasons??? I really cant think of any.
• Non

  

  Laley23;403351 wrote:I dont feel like looking it up...but what other Yankee pitcher has been around for all those postseasons??? I really cant think of any.

  
  Probably not anyone that long but that gives him more credibility as a cornerstone for that franchise. When you think about this era he's been the guy out there a lot in those big moments at Yankee Stadium.
• Non

  

  Along with Rivera and Jeter, obviously.
• Laley23

  

  Non;403367 wrote:Along with Rivera and Jeter, obviously.

  
  And Posada. Yeah, he has been a cornerstone and has had some HUGE games for them. But I tend to not care about that stuff for the HOF unless its a little closer.
• Non

  

  I disagree with most of you then. I'd rather give more credit for postseason and less credit for regular season.
• Laley23

  

  Non;403375 wrote:I disagree with most of you then. I'd rather give more credit for postseason and less credit for regular season.

  
  but htats so unfair. What happens if Pettite had ended up on the Orioles???
• Non

  

  Laley23;403555 wrote:but htats so unfair. What happens if Pettite had ended up on the Orioles???

  
  It's not unfair if he pitched great individually in a lot of those big games with the pressure on.
  
  That's when you want your top pitchers to deliver.
• Laley23

  

  Non;403596 wrote:It's not unfair if he pitched great individually in a lot of those big games with the pressure on.
  
  That's when you want your top pitchers to deliver.

  
  Its a little unfair, no? Say he never gets those chances....he isnt even close to the Hall. Now think of someone who has been good (like Pettite) on bad teams (Im blanking cause its almost 1 am) who never got the chance. I guess CC would come to mind, even though he is better than Pettite. What if he stays in Cleveland and has decent numbers the rest of his career. Is he punished cause he only got to pitch in 1 playoffs while Pettite got to pitch in like 15??
• Non

  

  Laley23;403610 wrote:Its a little unfair, no? Say he never gets those chances....he isnt even close to the Hall. Now think of someone who has been good (like Pettite) on bad teams (Im blanking cause its almost 1 am) who never got the chance. I guess CC would come to mind, even though he is better than Pettite. What if he stays in Cleveland and has decent numbers the rest of his career. Is he punished cause he only got to pitch in 1 playoffs while Pettite got to pitch in like 15??

  
  Think about it like this, though. Should a team that wins a lot of championships or has a dynasty not have Hall of Famers because the team was strong overall? It takes a nucleus of great players to accomplish winning multiple titles. Pettitte has been one of those players for the Yankees IMO.
• Laley23

  

  I think it should be added on and considered a portion of the resume. But I dont think it should have as much weight as is needed for Pettite to get in. If Pettite had better numbers or dominated for a period of time, the postseason would add to it and help his cause.
• Non

  

  Laley23;403621 wrote:I think it should be added on and considered a portion of the resume. But I dont think it should have as much weight as is needed for Pettite to get in. If Pettite had better numbers or dominated for a period of time, the postseason would add to it and help his cause.

  
  See I disagree because he has the most postseason wins and the most series-clinching wins.
  
  To go along with the 238 wins and he may still get to about 250 or 260.
  
  I'd say he was on the fence already and the postseason numbers give him the necessary credentials.
  
  But ok. You don't have to agree. That's why I started the question because I thought it was one worth some debate.
• Swamp Fox

  I think the tendency over the last several decades is to make things easier to achieve. I know for a fact that grades in school have been made more inflated. In fact, in some districts, it is not policy to fail anyone. I think that we have tended to do that in sports achievements as well. you used to have to be a genuine Hall of Famer to be voted in. As far as Andy Pettite is concerned, I would say that he has had a fine career and has even added a couple of new pitches to his repertoir at age 38 and is having an outstanding season as a result. Hall of Fame? Definitely not a first ballot inductee. He will probably get there but it will take a little time.
• Non

  

  Now I guess it should be noted that Tommy John won 288 games and has a career ERA of 3.34.
  
  He never won a World Series but pitched in three and had a solid postseason mark of 6-3 with a 2.65 ERA.
  
  Also a lefty.
  
  He has the most wins of any pitcher not in the Hall of Fame.
• Quint

  

  No. . . I can't stand any of the guys who used PED's.
• Al Bundy

  No. It is just so hard to get into the baseball hall of fame, and there are others that should go in before him.
• se-alum

  

  Non;403346 wrote:Maybe but even with the other great Yankees pitchers he had the most wins and series clinching wins in the postseason. 7-1 in the ALCS alone.
  
  I'm in favor of clutch performances over stats sometimes I think it adds more identity to the player.

  He's only 5-4 in the WS w/ a 4+ era. He's 18-9 w/ a 3.90era in the post-season. I just don't see those as HoF #'s. He's a good pitcher, but not great.