Why does Mike Brown............
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Series62
You know what I mean!SQ_Crazies wrote: This just in, the Cavs can't win a championship.
When you say an individual player can't win a championship in a team sport, you sound like an idiot. And I'm not defending my boy, I'm defending logic and intelligence.
As a team leader, and being among, if not the highest paid player on the team, you know that when talk of the Cavs ensues, Lebron is the chief topic of discussion. Were he injured or traded, would the Cavs have even been considered a championship caliber team?
True, he needs a good team around him, and that "good" team needed him to step up to the role of "superstar" in game 5 andespecially 6 when they were down 4 points in the 4th!
When facing elimination, Dwight Howard and his team, Steve Nash and his team stepped up their game, in the next couple of games, let's see how Rondo and the Celtics, Bryant and the Lakers respond, or will they fold when the team really needs them to step up!
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jordo212000
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SQ_Crazies
No, I don't know what you mean. Because it doesn't make sense, period. When 4 of the 5 best players in a series are playing for the other team, they are the better TEAM. It's a TEAM sport, it ain't golf. Tell Dan Marino he wasn't a good leader... -
jordo212000
Then why did you have Cleveland winning before the series started? I don't buy this. The Cavs were considered the best team all season long, and now because Mike Brown and Co. laid an egg, the Celtics are better?SQ_Crazies wrote: No, I don't know what you mean. Because it doesn't make sense, period. When 4 of the 5 best players in a series are playing for the other team, they are the better TEAM. It's a TEAM sport, it ain't golf. Tell Dan Marino he wasn't a good leader... -
Series62
When you do this;SQ_Crazies wrote: This just in, the Cavs can't win a championship.
When you say an individual player can't win a championship in a team sport, you sound like an idiot. And I'm not defending my boy, I'm defending logic and intelligence.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronnie44052/2174451590/
and this,
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/james_billboard_051111.html
then...
4th Qtr of Game 6 is "SHOW-TIME"!!! -
BR1986FBHis mouth is always open in case Lebron gets tired of chewing his own fingernails and needs some help.
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SQ_Crazies
If this is a series question my only answer is fucking pay attention. It's been discussed all over this site in the past few weeks, I'm not going to hold your hand.jordo212000 wrote:
Then why did you have Cleveland winning before the series started? I don't buy this. The Cavs were considered the best team all season long, and now because Mike Brown and Co. laid an egg, the Celtics are better?SQ_Crazies wrote: No, I don't know what you mean. Because it doesn't make sense, period. When 4 of the 5 best players in a series are playing for the other team, they are the better TEAM. It's a TEAM sport, it ain't golf. Tell Dan Marino he wasn't a good leader... -
jpake1
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Series62
EXACTLY!! It was a foregone conclusion that most "experts" and Cleveland fans had Cleveland as NBA Champions and James as NBA Finals MVP! Ask Charles Barkley! LOL!jordo212000 wrote:
Then why did you have Cleveland winning before the series started? I don't buy this. The Cavs were considered the best team all season long, and now because Mike Brown and Co. laid an egg, the Celtics are better?SQ_Crazies wrote: No, I don't know what you mean. Because it doesn't make sense, period. When 4 of the 5 best players in a series are playing for the other team, they are the better TEAM. It's a TEAM sport, it ain't golf. Tell Dan Marino he wasn't a good leader...
Dan Marino didn't play defense! During most of his tenure with the Dolphins, there weren't too many AFC teams that had a good defense! That's why those Monday Night games between Dolphins v Jets/Patriots/Chargers, etc were always high scoring shoot-outs! -
SQ_Crazies
Wait. Dan Marino didn't play defense, so what you're saying is he didn't have control over everything? Just like LeBron can't shoot for his teammates, can't make passes for his teammates, can't run for them. The fuckin' shit down their legs. To argue that LeBron didn't do his part is retarded. Sure point out game 5--one game in 6, other than that he did his part and that is all you can ask of each individual player. If the other guys don't do their parts, he doesn't get the chance to step up and put the extra effort in to win.
Look what Kobe did the other night. He had a 35+ point near triple double, team still lost. LeBron had a RIDICULOUS triple double in game 6 against the C's, TEAM still lost. It takes a team effort dumbass. The Celtics were better as a team, that was known all year from a talent standpoint but they played like they were 60 year old men most of the regular season--because they had a shit ton of injuries. Just like the Spurs. Both teams came together at the right time--they were strategic about their rehab and their playing time so they could be healthy for the post season.
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Series62
It's funny how all of a sudden the Celtics, Magic, and the Lakers are better teams when the Cavaliers have been considered the best team in the NBA since the start of the season.SQ_Crazies wrote: Wait. Dan Marino didn't play defense, so what you're saying is he didn't have control over everything? Just like LeBron can't shoot for his teammates, can't make passes for his teammates, can't run for them. The fuckin' shit down their legs. To argue that LeBron didn't do his part is retarded. Sure point out game 5--one game in 6, other than that he did his part and that is all you can ask of each individual player. If the other guys don't do their parts, he doesn't get the chance to step up and put the extra effort in to win.
Look what Kobe did the other night. He had a 35+ point near triple double, team still lost. LeBron had a RIDICULOUS triple double in game 6 against the C's, TEAM still lost. It takes a team effort dumbass. The Celtics were better as a team, that was known all year from a talent standpoint but they played like they were 60 year old men most of the regular season--because they had a shit ton of injuries. Just like the Spurs. Both teams came together at the right time--they were strategic about their rehab and their playing time so they could be healthy for the post season.
WTF am I doing...get baited into arguing with morons again...only puts me on your level of stupidity.
Like the many come from behind wins of the regular season led by Lebron, no he didn't have to shoot for his team-mates, but his efforts inspired the team to play harder! That's what a leader does! He did neither in game 5! In game 6, down by 4 points, facing elimination from the playoffs where you and your team have been considered the out-right favorites to win the title, whether he had a triple-double or 3 points, that was the time for him as the team leader, "the king", the two-time MVP, to inspire that team!
He didn't!!
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Series62All for you SQ...
LeBron’s moment of truth awaits
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
6 hours, 20 minutes ago
CLEVELAND – This isn’t important enough to LeBron James(notes). That’s the uncompromising, unconquerable truth. Everything has come too easy to him, and he still doesn’t believe that winning championships takes a consuming, obsessive desire that borders on the maniacal. He is chasing high school and college kids on recruiting trips for his fledgling marketing company, medicating his insecurities with unending and unfolding free-agent dramas.
James is chasing Warren Buffett and Jay-Z the way he should be chasing Russell and Jordan and Bryant. He wants CEOs to bow before him, engage him as though he is a contemporary on the frontlines of industry. Only, the truth of the matter is, he’s a singular talent who’s going to watch his playoff failures start to chip away at the thing that seems to matter most to him: his marketability and magnetism.
Most of all, James is forever selling something of himself – an ideal, an image, a possibility. Something nebulous, something promised. He’s chasing a global platform, the bright, blinking billion-dollar fortune, and he’s largely gotten the natural order of things backward.
Stop strutting, stop preening, stop stomping away as an ungracious winner, a sore loser, and win something, LeBron.
Win something now.
No more excuses. Not now, not after this biblical bottoming out that pushes the Cleveland Cavaliers to the brink of an unthinkable collapse. And yet, after Tuesday’s ferocious failure of his professional career, the encompassing embarrassment of a 120-88 Game 5 loss to the Boston Celtics, James dismissed his unthinkably poor performance with this colossal cop-out: “I spoil a lot of people with my play. When you have three bad games in seven years, it’s easy to point them out.”
Who is he to be indignant after he gave a playoff game away? What’s he ever won to be so smug to the masses? That’s what drives the Celtics crazy about James. Eventually, he will understand his greatness isn’t measured on the hit-and-runs through NBA cities across a long season. It’s measured now, in the teeth of the battle, when a tiny guard, Rajon Rondo(notes), has stolen his stage and nearly a series.
Somewhere, the whispers of the game’s greatest talents became a murmur louder and louder: James still doesn’t understand part of the price of greatness is inviting the burden on yourself and sparing those around you. He missed 11 of 14 shots. James didn’t score a basket until the third quarter. He was terrible, just terrible, and yet James couldn’t bring himself to say the worst home playoff loss in franchise history began and ended with him.
For all of James’ unselfishness on the floor, he can still be so selfish off it. They could’ve lined up the greatest players in the game’s history Tuesday night in the primes of their championship lives, and there isn’t one of them who would’ve deflected and deferred like the self-proclaimed King James. They would’ve been livid and they would’ve put it on themselves. Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant(notes). Tim Duncan(notes) and, yes, Shaquille O’Neal(notes).
They had titles, and they would’ve mutilated themselves for public consumption. James is too cool, too stubborn and maybe too self-unaware. This is on me, they would’ve told you, and, I’ll get us out of this. They would’ve made sure teammates and opponents, fans and enemies understood. They would’ve made sure the whole world understood: This isn’t how an MVP plays in the playoffs. This isn’t how he lets a legacy linger in limbo. What you heard out of James was self-righteous: “I put a lot of pressure on myself to go out and be great and the best player on the court. When I don’t, I feel bad for myself.”
This wasn’t the night to feel bad for himself. There’s been enough pity for him in this series. As much as anything these past two years, the Cavaliers have taken on James’ persona: Entitled, arrogant and expectant that the sheer divine right of his greatness will win them a ring. Only, the Celtics are proud, old champions arisen out of the rubble and on the brink of closing out the Cavaliers on Thursday night at the Boston Garden. No one saw this coming on Tuesday night, the surgical removal of the Cavaliers’ hearts surrounded with a stunned silence that devolved into the debris of boos.
James lorded over one of the most agonizing, humiliating losses a championship contender ever endured. So much comes with this collapse, bookended with decades of a city’s championship sports futility set against the free agency for the son it spawned in neighboring Akron.
This collapse will cost people jobs. This will change the course of the franchise. Where’s James going? And as job security goes, the CEO of British Petroleum has more going for him than Mike Brown right now. Forty feet away Tuesday night, Kentucky’s John Calipari was sitting under the basket with Leon Rose, the agent Cal shares with his buddy, LeBron.
James invites these storylines into the gymnasium, this drama, and leaves everyone else to live with the consequences. Owner Dan Gilbert has fostered a culture of permissiveness with James that hasn’t served him or the franchise.
The Cavs live in fear of him, his moods, his whims, and it’s the reason no one ever tells him the truth: Hey ’Bron, you looked childish for refusing to shake the Orlando Magic’s hands last season. You sounded small grumbling about criticism for your wildly up-and-down play in this series. James walked out of the Q on Tuesday night and there’s no guarantee he’ll ever return as a Cavalier here.
Yet make no mistake: James has enough around him. This team isn’t perfect, isn’t assured of beating the Los Angeles Lakers, but it has no business losing in the conference semifinals – never mind failing to even compete. And, yes, as much as ever, this is on James.
He invited all this drama about walking out on his hometown team this summer, and now free agency hung over the Q like an anvil. Here’s a city that’s waited 46 years for a championship, a town that reacts viciously to the sheer suggestion that James could leave for New York this summer. These fans have been much better to James than he’s been to them. It hasn’t been the media that’s built his role in the summer of 2010 to a crescendo, but James himself. He constantly manipulated it with suggestions and hints and wink-winks to New York.
James proclaimed July 1, 2010, as the biggest day in the history of basketball, ramping up suspense of his ultimate decision: Do I stay or do I go? What it has done is throw more palpable pressure in the air, more desperation, and it’s come back to haunt him now.
James says the Cavaliers know all about what it takes, but he knows about winning in the regular season. This is a different time, a different game. Three bad games in seven years? He’s kidding himself. Now, he has a championship cast around him. Now, he’ll be judged. No one gives a damn what he did in the regular season.
Perhaps sooner than later, he’s going to get his coach fired for losing this series. Or the next to Orlando. He’s mocked Brown for acting too angry with the Game 2 thrashing, but the coach understood what James refused to acknowledge until Tuesday night: The Cavs have been wildly inconsistent in these playoffs and they’re nowhere near playing championship ball.
Across the regular season, James can play hard, let his talent take over and embark on all the side gigs that gobble his time.
This isn’t a part-time thing. Winning everything takes a single-minded, obsessive devotion. Michael Jordan had it. Kobe Bryant does, too. They didn’t want to win championships, they had to win them. They needed them for validation and identity and, later, they became moguls. LeBron James is running around recruiting college kids to his marketing company. He picks up the phone, tells them, “This is the King,” and makes his pitch to be represented in his stable. Think Kobe would ever bother with this? Or Michael? Not a chance when they were on the climb, not when they still had a fist free of rings.
LeBron James is on the clock now, and Game 6 in Boston could be for his legacy in Cleveland. He has been prancing around the edges for too long now, angling for a transcendent existence he believed his brand could bring him. Only, it’s all a mirage. It’s all vapor until he does the heavy lifting that comes now, that comes in the shadows of Magic and Larry, Michael and Kobe. This isn’t about selling an image to Madison Avenue, about pushing product through all those dazzling plays across the winter months. This is an MVP’s time, his calling, and there was LeBron James standing in the middle of the Cavaliers’ locker room at 11:25 p.m., staring in a long mirror, fixing his shirt before the long walk down the corridor to the interview room.
James stood there for five seconds and 10 and maybe now 20, just staring into the mirror, just taking a long, long look at himself. For the first time in his career, the first time when it’s all truly on him, maybe the sport stood and stared with him. All hell breaking loose, all on the line now. Forget everything in his life, all the make-believe nonsense, Game 6 and maybe Game 7 will promise to serve as the most honest hours of his basketball life.
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SQ_Crazies
LOL, when I read Wojnarowski, I give it the same respect that I give your opinion.
Don't disagree with certain things but 95% of the shit you guys are saying just seriously just stupid. Not even wasting more time on you. -
Skyhook79
SQ_Crazies wrote: No, I don't know what you mean. Because it doesn't make sense, period. When 4 of the 5 best players in a series are playing for the other team, they are the better TEAM. It's a TEAM sport, it ain't golf. Tell Dan Marino he wasn't a good leader...
What happened to "Teams are literally in a panic about how good the Cavs will be when Z comes back"????
Lebron had as good, if not better, supporting cast than any team in the NBA.
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SQ_Crazies
How many times do I have to say that we (we=myself included for you retards out there) overrated the Cavs supporting cast. Just like we overrated Larry Hughes. How many times do I have to say that before it resonates?
You're just a fucking troll anyways, why not start posting on "kobeismvp" again? He's conveniently gone away ever since you've conveniently come back after everyone figured out it was you. -
Skyhook79
The only thing you overrated was Lebrons ability to lead a team to a title.
How many trades,Coaches fired before you realize that?????? -
BR1986FB
From what I see, the MAIN difference is that players like Kobe can make the shitbags (Farmar, Bynum, Shannon Brown) around them rise to a different level because they DEMAND it. Kobe doesn't care if his teammates HATE him. Shit, you don't like him, he'll rape your wife. It's ALL about the END result with him....championships.Skyhook79 wrote: Lebron had as good, if not better, supporting cast than any team in the NBA.
Lebron wants EVERYONE to adore him and he doesn't want to step on any toes. He had Shannon Brown here and he didn't make his game rise to a different level. Granted, Lebron was younger (at the time Brown was here) but if he has this "finisher/killer instinct" that some proclaim, the shitbags around him like Mo, Delonte, Parker, etc would be rising to the occasion (yes, Delonte 'rises to the occasion' but Gloria is the recipient) because Lebron would be RELENTLESS in not LETTING them have letdowns. He DOESN'T do that. Championships AREN'T that important to him. -
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jpake1
I get what you're saying mang, but LBJ DIDN'T do his part. You've argued he's the best in the league. You believe he'll be the best when he's done. A guy like that SHOULD finish game 5/6. He didn't. He looked like a poor man's LBJ. You saw it at times. You stick up for him because he's your guy. But you saw what everybody else is KILLING him for.SQ_Crazies wrote: Wait. Dan Marino didn't play defense, so what you're saying is he didn't have control over everything? Just like LeBron can't shoot for his teammates, can't make passes for his teammates, can't run for them. The fuckin' shit down their legs. To argue that LeBron didn't do his part is retarded. Sure point out game 5--one game in 6, other than that he did his part and that is all you can ask of each individual player. If the other guys don't do their parts, he doesn't get the chance to step up and put the extra effort in to win.
Look what Kobe did the other night. He had a 35+ point near triple double, team still lost. LeBron had a RIDICULOUS triple double in game 6 against the C's, TEAM still lost. It takes a team effort dumbass. The Celtics were better as a team, that was known all year from a talent standpoint but they played like they were 60 year old men most of the regular season--because they had a shit ton of injuries. Just like the Spurs. Both teams came together at the right time--they were strategic about their rehab and their playing time so they could be healthy for the post season.
WTF am I doing...get baited into arguing with morons again...only puts me on your level of stupidity. -
jpake1
I agree with a lot of that except the championships aren't important to him. They are, at least IMO. He cares. He just shows it differently, and maybe not as much as a killer in MJ and Kobe. Just remember, MJ and Kobe weren't killers at his age. MJ just learned it at this time, plus he has a good team (obviously). Kobe has time to grow into it with Shaq, but made HUGE FUCKING PLAYS for the championships. Our toon will change next year once he joins Wade and finishes as The KingBR1986FB wrote:
From what I see, the MAIN difference is that players like Kobe can make the shitbags (Farmar, Bynum, Shannon Brown) around them rise to a different level because they DEMAND it. Kobe doesn't care if his teammates HATE him. Shit, you don't like him, he'll rape your wife. It's ALL about the END result with him....championships.Skyhook79 wrote: Lebron had as good, if not better, supporting cast than any team in the NBA.
Lebron wants EVERYONE to adore him and he doesn't want to step on any toes. He had Shannon Brown here and he didn't make his game rise to a different level. Granted, Lebron was younger (at the time Brown was here) but if he has this "finisher/killer instinct" that some proclaim, the shitbags around him like Mo, Delonte, Parker, etc would be rising to the occasion (yes, Delonte 'rises to the occasion' but Gloria is the recipient) because Lebron would be RELENTLESS in not LETTING them have letdowns. He DOESN'T do that. Championships AREN'T that important to him.
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SQ_Crazies
jpake--I absolutely agree about game 5. But like I pointed out in the past (won't do it again, because anyone worth talking to is aware of it--I know you are) all the big names have had SHIT games at one time or another in the playoffs.
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jpake1
Yeah everybody has a game where fans scratch their head. LBJ had a damn good stat line, but I got off the couch saying, "eh"... maybe that's how good he is? He can have a good state line, but with almost double digit TO's and a lose, people think he played a B- game. I think I'm one of them. I guess I'm also one of those guys that thinks he can be the GOAT with a SMART decision this offseason.
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SQ_Crazies
Game 6 wasn't his best game, but it wasn't anywhere near a bad game.
Game 5 is stat line was just awful, he just wasn't himself at all. Game 6 gets a false notion of him not trying or whatever because of the game 5 hangover. He was all over the place in game 6.