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Mr. 300

Nice read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100514&sportCat=nba

bucks36

Thanks Mr. Douche.

thedynasty1998

Article that I thought sums it up best:

From the moment he entered the NBA, he's been asked to do everything himself. He's never had a good coach. He's never had a great teammate, or even a very good one. These past two years, he's been asked to vacillate between Magic Mode and MJ Mode depending on the situation. Because his front office screwed up so many times, his supporting cast ended up being a peculiar blend of hand-me-downs, discount guys and bargain pickups from teams that wanted to cut salary. It ended up being too much. One-man teams don't win titles.

That's what I've been saying all along, and no one wanted to agree with me.

Mr. 300

bucks36 wrote: Thanks Mr. Douche.

You're welcome fluffer.

Mohican00

Why do you keep calling him Leboob?

You're way past running that shit into the ground

Pick6

I know this doesn't pertain to everyone, but fuck all you so called cleveland fans that has a problem with lebron(mr.300). You actually have an athlete worth 2 shits in your city and you bash him? Saying "I root for the uniform, not whos in it" shit. You dont deserve a championship. No wonder the only cleveland team i root for is the cavs, just because they are in ohio.

BR1986FB

Pick6 wrote: I know this doesn't pertain to everyone, but fuck all you so called cleveland fans that has a problem with lebron(mr.300). You actually have an athlete worth 2 shits in your city and you bash him? Saying "I root for the uniform, not whos in it" shit. You dont deserve a championship. No wonder the only cleveland team i root for is the cavs, just because they are in ohio.

We're pissed because he tanked what might have been his last few games in a Cleveland uniform and we "don't deserve a championship?" Fuck you and the horse you road in on.

This town is a blue collar town that will fight and scratch until the end. We may not win a lot but we don't fucking give up. THAT is what has MOST people are pissed about. We DON'T like quitters. Modell quit on this town and he continues to be vilified.

He pussied out when it counted. Had he given it his all and fought to the finish, it would have been a different story. It looked, to me, like he tanked so he'd HAVE all of the backlash (fans turning on him) so he'd have an easy exit to another city.

As far as the article? Looked spot on to me.

Rotinaj

Mohican00 wrote: Why do you keep calling him Leboob?

You're way past running that shit into the ground

THISSSSSS

Pick6

BR1986FB wrote:
Pick6 wrote: I know this doesn't pertain to everyone, but fuck all you so called cleveland fans that has a problem with lebron(mr.300). You actually have an athlete worth 2 shits in your city and you bash him? Saying "I root for the uniform, not whos in it" shit. You dont deserve a championship. No wonder the only cleveland team i root for is the cavs, just because they are in ohio.
We're pissed because he tanked what might have been his last few games in a Cleveland uniform and we "don't deserve a championship?" Fuck you and the horse you road in on.

This town is a blue collar town that will fight and scratch until the end. We may not win a lot but we don't fucking give up. THAT is what has MOST people are pissed about. We DON'T like quitters. Modell quit on this town and he continues to be vilified.

He pussied out when it counted. Had he given it his all and fought to the finish, it would have been a different story. It looked, to me, like he tanked so he'd HAVE all of the backlash (fans turning on him) so he'd have an easy exit to another city.

As far as the article? Looked spot on to me.

HA, your right, a triple double is shitty(only in cleveland). Much like a lot of people do with Pryors Purdue game, you guys are basing lebrons whole series on game 5.

You should have more beef with Brown and the staff. Brown cant coach worth a shit(even though a lot of people were saying he was a good coach just a couple weeks ago). The teammates..i dont know where to begin..

Jamison clearly choked this series.what did he average like 6 points a game? Mo, even though I love him, only showed up in 2 games. Shaq, who is 38 years old, shouldnt be the 2nd leading scorer on your team. West was basically a no-show this series. I think its safe to say getting Parker was a disappointment.

Lebron lead the team in rebounds, assists, and points this series, yet this is not good enough for you guys. Basketball is a team game, not 1 vs 5. So let the Lebron cost us shit go to rest.

Mr. 300

Mohican00 wrote: Why do you keep calling him Leboob?

You're way past running that shit into the ground

You look my avatar...need a tissue???

Mr. 300

Pick6 wrote: I know this doesn't pertain to everyone, but fuck all you so called cleveland fans that has a problem with lebron(mr.300). You actually have an athlete worth 2 shits in your city and you bash him? Saying "I root for the uniform, not whos in it" shit. You dont deserve a championship. No wonder the only cleveland team i root for is the cavs, just because they are in ohio.

You are a perfect example of an idiot Cleveland fan that doesn't know or understand sports. It's no wonder that town is full of losers with dipshit fans like yourself.

At least I know I've been right about this kid from the beginning.

Mr. 300

BR1986FB wrote:
Pick6 wrote: I know this doesn't pertain to everyone, but fuck all you so called cleveland fans that has a problem with lebron(mr.300). You actually have an athlete worth 2 shits in your city and you bash him? Saying "I root for the uniform, not whos in it" shit. You dont deserve a championship. No wonder the only cleveland team i root for is the cavs, just because they are in ohio.
We're pissed because he tanked what might have been his last few games in a Cleveland uniform and we "don't deserve a championship?" Fuck you and the horse you road in on.

This town is a blue collar town that will fight and scratch until the end. We may not win a lot but we don't fucking give up. THAT is what has MOST people are pissed about. We DON'T like quitters. Modell quit on this town and he continues to be vilified.

He pussied out when it counted. Had he given it his all and fought to the finish, it would have been a different story. It looked, to me, like he tanked so he'd HAVE all of the backlash (fans turning on him) so he'd have an easy exit to another city.

As far as the article? Looked spot on to me.

BR, you add to my proof that only a few people truly understand sports. Your post is +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000~

Heretic

Pick6 wrote:HA, your right, a triple double is shitty(only in cleveland).

Well, to be honest, that wasn't one of the more impressive triple doubles in basketball history when you factor in that he was one turnover away from a quadruple-double and he shot 38.1% (8-21) from the field. There were plenty of more important factors in the team's loss, but it's not like he gave the sort of heroic "we ain't goin' out like that" effort people hope for and/or expect from true superstars in must-win games. And when you add Game 5's debacle to that, the fact people tend to be wondering WTF was up with him/his mindset is kinda understandable.

Pick6

I do agree it wasnt a "impressive" triple double. Even though his shooting % was bad, I think the 19 boards was pretty damn impressive. He had 9 turnovers in game 6, only averaged 3.8 during the playoffs though. How many other players have put the numbers up James did the postseason? Rondo, 1 or 2 games, who else?

thedynasty1998

I don't think Lebron played his best, but the bashing of him is just unbelievable to me. Everyone was on his jock for 7 years, and all of a sudden he's a bum.

Cleveland doesn't deserve a star of his status if he's going to get treated like this. This isn't New York where a star gets trashed after a bad game because they have more important stuff going on, this is Cleveland where Lebron is the only reason why Cleveland is significant.

The Cleveland fans are acting like the HS kid who got dumped by the hot girl. Even though you want her back and were considered popular when you were dating, now that she's gone you badmouth her and become irrelevant again.

I always thought Lebron was leaving, but hoped that he would stay in Cleveland. Now I don't even hope for it because of the way he's getting trashed.

His supporting cast is god awful and people want to believe that Ferry put together a championship caliber team, yet he didn't. Face the facts, Cleveland isn't even that close to a championship and they have no young pieces or draft picks in place to make improvements.

Pick6

thedynasty1998 wrote: I don't think Lebron played his best, but the bashing of him is just unbelievable to me. Everyone was on his jock for 7 years, and all of a sudden he's a bum.

Cleveland doesn't deserve a star of his status if he's going to get treated like this. ......, this is Cleveland where Lebron is the only reason why Cleveland is significant.

pretty much sums it up

BR1986FB

Pick6 wrote: You should have more beef with Brown and the staff. Brown cant coach worth a shit(even though a lot of people were saying he was a good coach just a couple weeks ago). The teammates..i dont know where to begin..

A "beef" with Mike Brown? I've been saying for TWO years that they should DUMP Mr. Potato Head's stunt double (Mike Brown). He's a good "starter" coach but he's NOT going to get you a championship. His coaching is ONE dimensional. He'd be a GREAT defensive assistant but NOT a head coach. They were much better, offensively, the ONE year he had an offensive coordinator who ended up leaving to coach the Pistons.

Yeah, he had a tripe double in game 6 and he was "on the floor", but he wasn't "IN the game" if you know what I mean. He showed up to the game but didn't show up to win.

Don't get me wrong, he's done a lot for the team and the city but he chose the WRONG time to take a dive.

Al Bundy

Pick6 wrote: I do agree it wasnt a "impressive" triple double. Even though his shooting % was bad, I think the 19 boards was pretty damn impressive. He had 9 turnovers in game 6, only averaged 3.8 during the playoffs though. How many other players have put the numbers up James did the postseason? Rondo, 1 or 2 games, who else?

It's not just LeBron, the whole team quit, and there is no excuse for quitting. LeBron has unbelievable athletic skills (he can do things that I have never seen anyone else do), but he doesn't have the leadership skills that a truly great player does. Can you imagine MJ, Magic, Bird, Duncan, etc. going down without a fight or letting their teammates quit on them? If the Cavs went down fighting people would still be disappointed, but they would understand. There is no excuse to just quit.

BR1986FB

Pick6 wrote:
thedynasty1998 wrote: I don't think Lebron played his best, but the bashing of him is just unbelievable to me. Everyone was on his jock for 7 years, and all of a sudden he's a bum.

Cleveland doesn't deserve a star of his status if he's going to get treated like this. ......, this is Cleveland where Lebron is the only reason why Cleveland is significant.

pretty much sums it up

Brilliant! So we're supposed to applaud him and genuflect at his feet when he lays down and doesn't give a shit. Cool story, bro. :rolleyes:

Pick6

Like i said, i agree he didnt play his best,but he sure didnt "lay down"

Al Bundy

Pick6 wrote: Like i said, i agree he didnt play his best,but he sure didnt "lay down"

Can you honestly say that he was trying to win for all 48 min. in game 5 and 6?

Heretic

thedynasty1998 wrote: I don't think Lebron played his best, but the bashing of him is just unbelievable to me. Everyone was on his jock for 7 years, and all of a sudden he's a bum.

Yeah, but that's the nature of the NBA. It's a star-dominated league where the elite players are essentially these larger-than-life personalities. If Cleveland would have beat the Celtics and gone on to beat the Magic and the West winner, it would be "LEBRON (and the Cavs) WON A CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!" The general populace wouldn't care that Anthony Parker or Antawn Jamison got a ring...it'd be a LeBron lovefest. Instead, he was the cornerstone of a team that got eliminated much earlier than anticipated. Stars get the lion's share of the adoration when their team succeeds; the same tends to be true when their team fails.

Personally, I think there were a ton of factors as to why they lost the series. None of them are THE FACTOR, but they all played a role.

1. LeBron. In game 3, he showed the world what he could do if he felt like it. 21-point first quarter to lead the team to a 20ish-point lead in Boston. They never let the Celtics into the game. Over the next three games (all losses), he was a combined 18-53 from the field (2-13 from long range). Whether the elbow was a legit factor, he was just coasting or whatever, he didn't bring his "A" game down the stretch.

2. Boston fooled the world. They started the season quickly and then were about .500 for most of it, dropping to a #4 seed. It seemed like the world at large looked at them as old and broken-down. Now they've eliminated both Miami and Cleveland. It looks like they had a goal to start out quickly to essentially clinch a playoff spot...and then coast and relax until the playoffs in order to preserve the legs of their old players. When was the last time Garnett had a six-game stretch like he had against the Cavs?

3. The supporting cast. None of them were consistent. Mo had about two good offensive performances but was impotent on defense, Jamison was solid early on but horrid later in the series, Shaq was the only guy who seemed to come to play in the game 5 debacle but was a liability in most games with his "get established in the 1st quarter by missing a million short shots" deal. None of them rose to the occasion with consistency. And, when James was subpar in the final three games, NO ONE stepped up and like, "No way we're losing this game". Mo was good in the first half of game 6...and then didn't score again until the third quarter was nearly over. No matter how good a star is, if he can't get consistent help from anyone else, he's not going to win.

4. The coaching. Mike Brown is the sort of coach who's great when his players are on the same page and everything is working out peachy. But it's hard to not get the impression he's completely out of his element when dealing with a situation where things are going to hell. The "hustle/high-energy" guys took a back seat to the older players, which played right to Boston's strength. And when things went south, he sure as hell couldn't find an answer.

5. The overall team mentality. It was mindboggling. After Game 2, Brown rips into the team. LeBron's all like, "LOL wut? All's cool!"...and then dominates Game 3 and all is well. Until Game 4, when the team went back into some sort of weird shell where they let Boston dictate most everything about the series. It's like...if you read Wes' posts where he's like "Go Cleveland! Go Boston! Everyone have fun!"...it's like Cleveland was playing with that philosophy half the time. "Oh well, they got us. Now let's all go out for ice cream!!! YAYYYYY FOR ICE CREAM!!!!!!"

skank

Mohican00 wrote: Why do you keep calling him Leboob?

You're way past running that shit into the ground

I disagree, Mr. 300 is cool, and him calling Lebron Leboob is proof of that. :rolleyes:

thedynasty1998

BR1986FB wrote:
Pick6 wrote:
thedynasty1998 wrote: I don't think Lebron played his best, but the bashing of him is just unbelievable to me. Everyone was on his jock for 7 years, and all of a sudden he's a bum.

Cleveland doesn't deserve a star of his status if he's going to get treated like this. ......, this is Cleveland where Lebron is the only reason why Cleveland is significant.

pretty much sums it up
Brilliant! So we're supposed to applaud him and genuflect at his feet when he lays down and doesn't give a shit. Cool story, bro. :rolleyes:

That's what people did all regular season. All year some of the Cavs fans were unbearable how they have the best team and Lebron is the best in the league. Now after they get exposed, it's Lebron's fault. Unbelievable. Lebron was playing with a bunch of average NBA players, winning the regular season was remarkable. How much do you expect from one guy?

thedynasty1998

Another point that everyone fails to make, is that Boston just outplayed Cleveland and exposed them. Even if Cleveland wins that series, they don't beat Orlando. Boston knew that they just had to shut down Lebron and forget about everyone else. Lebron faced great defense and just couldn't get it going because he didn't have anyone else he could rely on.

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Bill Simmons has a great article on Leboob.