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  • sleeper
    Gblock wrote:
    Big Red Monster wrote: it was Jordan, is Jordan and always will be Jordan.
    this...

    look at jordans numbers for about 7-8 years

    off the top of my head it was like 32....37....33...33...31....30.....32....etc....and that was just scoring...jordan is the best ever

    lebron is sick tho
    Exactly, that was just scoring. If you look at his other numbers Lebron rapes, and you can take that to the bank.
  • Glory Days
    sleeper wrote:
    Gblock wrote:
    Big Red Monster wrote: it was Jordan, is Jordan and always will be Jordan.
    this...

    look at jordans numbers for about 7-8 years

    off the top of my head it was like 32....37....33...33...31....30.....32....etc....and that was just scoring...jordan is the best ever

    lebron is sick tho
    Exactly, that was just scoring. If you look at his other numbers Lebron rapes, and you can take that to the bank.
    ummm no he doesnt. lebron only averages about 1 more rebound and 1 more assist than jordan. other than that, either they are the same or jordan stats are better. better find a new bank.
  • sleeper
    Add up Lebrons Career PPG, RPG, APG and compare it to Jordan's, he's got him beat and you can take that to the bank.
  • 2quik4u
    sleeper wrote: Add up Lebrons Career PPG, RPG, APG and compare it to Jordan's, he's got him beat and you can take that to the bank.
    wrong look at the stats i posted
  • gibby08
    Michael Jordan and it won't even be close
  • Glory Days
    sleeper wrote: Add up Lebrons Career PPG, RPG, APG and compare it to Jordan's, he's got him beat and you can take that to the bank.
    I did, Jordan is 30.1. Lebron is 27.8 in PPG
    Rebounds, Jordan is 6.2, Lebron is 7.1
    Assist is Jordan 5.3, Lebron 7.

    Jordan also has more steals, less turnovers, better FG and FT percentages. and they are basically the same for 3 pointers and blocks. your bank needs a bailout.
  • gibby08
    Michael Jordan as alot in common with Bret Hart...

    He is the best there is,was,and ever will be
  • SQ_Crazies
    gibby08 wrote: Michael Jordan and it won't even be close
    I have no problem with anyone thinking LeBron won't pass Jordan, but you're just a total fucking moron if you don't it will even be close knowing what we know now.
    Glory Days wrote: your bank needs a bailout.
    LMFAO!
  • sleeper
    Jordan 41.6
    Lebron 41.9

    Per your stats.

    Owned and ruined.
  • Glory Days
    sleeper wrote: Jordan 41.6
    Lebron 41.9

    Per your stats.

    Owned and ruined.
    i think all your cash money is blocking your view of your computer screen.
  • SQ_Crazies
    sleeper wrote: Jordan 41.6
    Lebron 41.9

    Per your stats.

    Owned and ruined.
    Welcome to being a victim of people with bad reading comprehension sleeper.

    He certainly did just own you guys.

    But I'm still loling at the bank bailout comment.
  • Glory Days
    SQ_Crazies wrote:
    sleeper wrote: Jordan 41.6
    Lebron 41.9

    Per your stats.

    Owned and ruined.
    Welcome to being a victim of people with bad reading comprehension sleeper.

    He certainly did just own you guys.

    But I'm still loling at the bank bailout comment.
    where did that stat even come from?
  • SQ_Crazies
    Those stats are added in a way to compare players often. In fact, I saw it done on TV today.
  • sleeper
    Glory Days wrote:
    sleeper wrote: Add up Lebrons Career PPG, RPG, APG and compare it to Jordan's, he's got him beat and you can take that to the bank.
    I did, Jordan is 30.1. Lebron is 27.8 in PPG
    Rebounds, Jordan is 6.2, Lebron is 7.1
    Assist is Jordan 5.3, Lebron 7.

    Jordan also has more steals, less turnovers, better FG and FT percentages. and they are basically the same for 3 pointers and blocks. your bank needs a bailout.
    LOL RUINED.

    30.1 + 6.2 + 5.3 = 41.6
    27.8 + 7.1 + 7.0 = 41.9
  • cview
    Anyone that says it isn't close, no matter which player you favor, is dumb. There are a handful of guys that could lay claim to being the best ever IMO. When you consider how many people have played in the NBA, splitting hairs over the elitist(I'm making shit up) of the elite is extremely difficult and for the most part pointless. It is always going to be more of an opinion or preference in which rings, PPG, RPG, and all of that stuff only tells part but never all of the story and cannot be used as the be all end all in regards to whether player A is better than player B or B is better than C or whatever.
  • Glory Days
    James- 41.2
    Jordan- 42.13

    there, i made up my own stat to show who is better. PPG, APG, RPG, BPG, SPG minus TO/pg.
  • SQ_Crazies
    Glory Days wrote: James- 41.2
    Jordan- 42.13

    there, i made up my own stat to show who is better. PPG, APG, RPG, BPG, SPG minus TO/pg.
    No, see, what you did was make something up to support your argument. What sleeper did was use a formula that has been used to compare players by objective people--sure someone made it up at some point, but people have given that formula some credibility over the years.
  • Glory Days
    haha its the same thing. and shouldnt defensive stats be added into the equation?
  • hoops23
    A chicago beat writer, who covered the Bulls during the entire Jordan era, said LeBron will go down as the greatest player ever if he wins a couple of titles.. Said himself that he doesn't need the 6 titles to be claimed that, as MJ doesn't have the most titles either.

    I agree.
    Yes, LeBron will be NBA's greatest ever
    By Mike Imrem | Daily Herald Columnist
    Contact writer

    Bulls fans can say they saw the greatest player ever to play the game of basketball.

    Sorry, no, not Michael Jordan. Not in 10 years or so. Not by the time LeBron James completes his career with the Cavaliers, some other NBA team or dare we say perhaps even the Bulls.

    There, I said it, and it's a relief to do so: King James eventually will succeed His Royal Airness as the best basketball player ever.

    If I didn't think that before, I did after watching the Cavaliers trounce the Bulls 121-98 in Game 4 of their Eastern Conference playoff series.

    Bulls fans didn't know whether to laugh or cry, cheer or boo. They wound up gasping, like when James hit a jump shot from just inside midcourt to end the third quarter.

    And like when James hit 3 straight 3-pointers during less than two minutes of the fourth quarter. And like when he burst down the lane to slam down a violent dunk in the first quarter.

    Overall James scored 37 points, grabbed 12 rebounds and distributed 11 assists.

    "LeBron had a terrific game with his triple-double," Cavs coach Mike Brown said.

    Was it routinely terrific or especially terrific?

    "It was a spectacular performance," Brown responded, "but this is what this man is capable of doing."

    Listen, I know how great Jordan was. I covered his career from draft day through two retirements from the Bulls.

    When Jordan finally was finished for good, to me it was unimaginable that anyone's career would surpass his. I concluded recently that Kobe Bryant would approach Jordan but fall short of him.

    Bryant's problem - if you can call it that - is that he tried to be better than Jordan by being Jordan. James is an entirely different animal, competing for greatest ever with an entirely different body and somewhat different game.

    A good guess is that James won't match Jordan's feat of six NBA titles in the span of the six full seasons he played. Nor will he be as sensational or as beloved.

    Those things are out of James' control. But I'm thinking James would win a few titles of his own if surrounded by Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman.

    While still chasing his first title James also is doing what the best of the best do: He's chasing the ghosts of the greatest players to play his game.

    Remember, James is doing, and will continue to do, what he's doing at 6-feet-8, 265 pounds.

    James uses that size to do what Magic Johnson used to do, what Larry Bird used to do and, yes, what Michael Jordan used to do.

    Whenever James wants to, he does what point guards do, what shooting guards do, what small forwards do, what point forwards do, what power forwards do, and even what 7-foot centers do.

    Just to be clear, I'm not saying that James is going to obliterate the memory of Jordan.

    I'm just saying that before LeBron James is done he'll be considered a slightly better player than Michael Jordan was.

    Sunday's crowd of 23,058 in the United Center will be able to say they saw him on the way to getting there.
  • 2quik4u
    2quik4u wrote:
    Glory Days wrote: FG%---3pt%---FT%---REB--AST--STL--BLK--TO--PTS
    49.7% 32.7% 83.5% 6.2 5.3 2.4 .83 2.7 30.1--Jordan
    47.5% 32.9% 74.2%- 7.1 7.0 1.7 .9 3.3 27.8--James
    makes more sense to compare both through their first 7 years

    Jordan first 7 years
    FG% 3pt% FT% REB AST STL BLK TO PTS

    51 23.1 84.7 5.95 5.74 2.7 1 3.1 31.5

    Lebron first 7 years
    FG% 3pt% FT% REB AST STL BLK TO PTS

    47.5 32.9 74.2 7.0 7.1 1.7 .9 3.3 27.8


    Awards

    Jordan
    1984-85 NBA Rookie of the Year
    1987-88 NBA All-Star Game MVP
    1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
    1987-88 NBA MVP


    1984-85 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
    1984-85 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
    1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
    1987-88 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
    1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
    1988-89 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
    1988-89 NBA All-NBA (1st)
    1989-90 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
    1989-90 NBA All-NBA (1st)

    Lebron
    2003-04 NBA Rookie of the Year
    2005-06 NBA All-Star Game MVP
    2007-08 NBA All-Star Game MVP
    2008-09 NBA MVP

    2003-04 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
    2004-05 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
    2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
    2006-07 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
    2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
    2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
    2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)

    Jordan Player Efficiency Rating
    1984-85 NBA 25.8 (2)
    1986-87 NBA 29.8 (1)
    1987-88 NBA 31.7 (1)
    1988-89 NBA 31.1 (1)
    1989-90 NBA 31.2 (1)
    1990-91 NBA 31.6 (1)

    Lebron Player Efficiency Rating
    2004-05 NBA 25.7 (6)
    2005-06 NBA 28.1 (2)
    2006-07 NBA 24.5 (4)
    2007-08 NBA 29.1 (1)
    2008-09 NBA 31.7 (1)
    2009-10 NBA 31.1 (1)
    go by my stats since its both their first 7 years
  • SQ_Crazies
    Yeah...a guy that covered Jordan's entire career. I'll take his word, it's definitely at least going to be close.
  • hoops23
    And lol @ LeBron finishing All NBA 2nd team in 2006-2007.. What a joke.
  • Glory Days
    SQ_Crazies wrote: Yeah...a guy that covered Jordan's entire career. I'll take his word, it's definitely at least going to be close.
    i definitely agree it is going to be close. which is why Jordan's impact on the game will put him over the top in my opinion. James is great but i dont think he is making the game bigger or better. and no, i am not a sports writer, so my opinion isnt worth anything.
  • SQ_Crazies
    Yeah, well that isn't his fault. The game exploded in a big way because of Jordan but technology has made the game bigger than ever before anything. LeBron could definitely have a bigger impact from a global standpoint than Jordan because more people are seeing him than ever saw Jordan.
  • Glory Days
    oh yeah i know. had lebron been born first, we might be having the opposite discussion.