Josh and Ben McDaniels

• Speedofsand

  

  They played for their dad at Canton McKinley, what do you guys think of them in Denver ?
  I know a little about Josh through Belichick, but never heard of Ben. Is he NFL quality as QB coach ?
  If Tebow fails can I blame an Ohio guy ? j/k
• BR1986FB

  McDaniels has kind of tied his wagon to this Tebow pick. If McDaniels thinks Tebow is his future and Tebow fails, McDaniels may find himself back in the coordinator ranks in the near future.
• vball10set

  ^^^that's basically what Mike Golic said this morning....
• bases_loaded

  

  Speedofsand wrote: They played for their dad at Canton McKinley, what do you guys think of them in Denver ?
  I know a little about Josh through Belichick, but never heard of Ben. Is he NFL quality as QB coach ?
  If Tebow fails can I blame an Ohio guy ? j/k

  If he fails its because hes a fullback trying to play QB
• Speedofsand

  

  bases, he set the all time state passing record in high school, had some of the best pass eff. % in college you ever saw...he is a QB who can run for the tough short yards and get a first down.
• BR1986FB

  The thing with Tebow is that he's going to have a lot of obstacles to overcome. Besides the obvious (mechanics), there are the questions of being able to read a defense and to adapt to taking snaps from under center. He's also not going to be able to plow over guys if he tries to run like he did in college. There's no question that the guy is an athlete and a winner. McDaniels made a pretty big reach/gamble by taking him.
• j_crazy

  

  if mcdaniels fails it will be because of tebow.
  
  moreso it will be because he took tebow so high.
• Speedofsand

  

  every player at every position has big obstacles when they reach the NFL. That is why there are so many draft busts. I would have sworn Jarvis Moss or Derrick Harvey would kick ass but they are not. NFL is a different game from college, college is a different game from high school.
  
  I want to know more about the McDaniels.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  They're both young without much of a track record.
  
  I think the information you're seeking does not exist yet.
• jordo212000

  

  McDaniels has always seemed to be a guy that thinks he is smarter than everybody in the room. He has this sense of entitlement even though most of his "success" in the NFL has come from hitching his wagon to Belichick and Brady. I say this because of the way he has handled the Jay Cutler situation (shopping the franchise QB, getting caught, lying about doing it, only to admit that yes, he was trading Cutler, and then because the bridge was burned he traded him). The Bears definitely helped soften the backlash McDaniels should have received when they gave him a King's ransom along with a serviceable QB (Orton).
  
  He also continued to butt heads with Brandon Marshall the whole time he was in town. Marshall is in no way easy to manage, but I don't recall Shanahan getting into the kinds of tiffs that McDaniels did. Remember Marshall pouting during training camp? McDaniels suspended him for the preseason, brings him back for the regular season, mends the fence -remember them hugging after a big win during a press conference, and then when Marshall says he is a little dinged, McDaniels benches him for a must win game because he "knows other players have played through more severe injuries." They trade Marshall to the Dolphins and then during the draft McDaniels issues a statement saying that Marshall was a "franchise player" (why did you trade him then?) and responds by drafting a guy who he thinks is Marshall version 2.0
  
  All of that and then he picks Tebow at #25 when he could have probably snagged him sometime late in round 2? Remember McCoy and Clausen were still on the board...
  
  McDaniels better hope that his good luck continues, that's all I know. He has done a lot of questionable stuff at best, hopefully it doesnt catch up with him.
• Speedofsand

  

  jordo, thanks I appreciate the input. I'm not sure what to think of his brother being qb coach. Never heard of O.C. Mike McCoy either.
• sonofsam

  

  Like I said on the draft thread... I can't wait to see my beloved Broncos' wasted 1st round pick guard the water bottle and preach to anyone who comes near it...
• september63

  

  FYI Jordo..............had Shanahan not been fired he stated he was prepared to cut ties with Brandon Marshall the following season.
• Speedofsand

  

  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/sports/football/27fast.html?hpw
  
  Dan Mullen, Mississippi State’s coach, used to be Florida’s quarterback coach and offensive coordinator. He is the person who imparted to McDaniels much of the wisdom about the spread offense that McDaniels deployed as the offensive coordinator to make the New England Patriots practically unstoppable for much of the 2007 season.
  
  “The great thing about Josh is he’s innovative,” Mullen said. “He’s not afraid to think outside the box. He’ll be creative with him. To expect him to be an every-down quarterback right away is asking a lot.”
  
  That may be what McDaniels has in mind — not to turn Tebow into a Peyton Manning-esque drop-back passer, if that is even possible, but to exploit his physicality and ability to improvise. It may not work, and it certainly may take awhile, but it will be a fascinating experiment.
  “One of two things will happen,” said the former Ravens coach Brian Billick, who analyzed the draft for the NFL Network. “Either he’ll change his mechanics to fit the demands of playing in the N.F.L. Or is he the singularly spectacular athlete that changes the paradigm of the N.F.L. to bring the spread to the game?”
• lhslep134

  

  Speedofsand wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/sports/football/27fast.html?hpw
  
  Dan Mullen, Mississippi State’s coach, used to be Florida’s quarterback coach and offensive coordinator. He is the person who imparted to McDaniels much of the wisdom about the spread offense that McDaniels deployed as the offensive coordinator to make the New England Patriots practically unstoppable for much of the 2007 season.
  
  “The great thing about Josh is he’s innovative,” Mullen said. “He’s not afraid to think outside the box. He’ll be creative with him. To expect him to be an every-down quarterback right away is asking a lot.”
  
  That may be what McDaniels has in mind — not to turn Tebow into a Peyton Manning-esque drop-back passer, if that is even possible, but to exploit his physicality and ability to improvise. It may not work, and it certainly may take awhile, but it will be a fascinating experiment.
  “One of two things will happen,” said the former Ravens coach Brian Billick, who analyzed the draft for the NFL Network. “Either he’ll change his mechanics to fit the demands of playing in the N.F.L. Or is he the singularly spectacular athlete that changes the paradigm of the N.F.L. to bring the spread to the game?”

  A problem with running a pure shotgun offense in the NFL is that it's very hard to run the ball on professional athletes in a zone read (what Florida ran, with wrinkles and changes of course, but it's the concept I'm talking about), so at some point Tebow would have to be under center. I can't see Tebow and Moreno running a zone read play only because of how good NFL defenders are relative to college ones. Think about this. In SEC games throughout his 3 year career of starting, he probably played against between 10-15 guys who are now starters or going to be starters soon in the NFL, but played against 100's of defenders. In the NFL, everyone is faster and bigger, so I don't see them being able to run the ball from shotgun.
  
  However, I could be wrong, I'd like to see Tebow succeed I just don't see that happening without the adaptation to playing under center.
• Speedofsand

  

  I think it will be more of Tebow learning the pro set to fit in with the Denver playbook first, then getting some plays designed for the shotgun spread.
• Speedofsand

  

  here is a great column by Woody Paige in Denver.
  http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14980266
  I vividly remember writing in 1982, when the NFL strike was going on and I decided to travel around to see college players (Eric Dickerson, Herschel Walker and several others), and I wrote a column saying: "I have seen the future of pro football, and his name is John Elway."
  When he was in high school, Tebow attended a "Friday Night Lights" weekend at the University of Florida. After a meeting of young players and coaches, the Gators' strength and conditioning coach took Tebow downstairs to the weight room for a cheeseburger.
  As the two sat there having lunch, Tebow asked what the Florida record was for most leg lifts. Mickey Marotti, the coach, replied: "Oh, 18, I think, by some lineman." After he finished his fries, Tebow walked over to the weights, did 19 lifts, and left.
  I will tell you who to compare Tebow to: Steve Young. Out of high school, nobody wanted Young as a quarterback. Recruiters thought he was a running back or a safety.
  He went to BYU because he was a great-great-great grandson of Brigham Young, and he was playing behind Jim McMahon when the Cougars played Colorado in Boulder in 1981. McMahon lit up CU early, then got hurt. Steve came in and ran and passed the Buffs silly, finishing off a 41-20 BYU victory. I wrote a column about this amazing kid. He was strictly a QB at BYU after that game.
  When Young retired, I went to San Francisco, and in his hotel room he told me that he still had that column I wrote about him in college. "You were the first one to really praise me as a QB."
  
  ESPN report quotes McDaniels saying Tebow knows half the playbook already and his mental aptitude is 'off the charts'.
  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5151607
• skank

  

  Speedofsand wrote: here is a great column by Woody Paige in Denver.
  http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14980266
  I vividly remember writing in 1982, when the NFL strike was going on and I decided to travel around to see college players (Eric Dickerson, Herschel Walker and several others), and I wrote a column saying: "I have seen the future of pro football, and his name is John Elway."
  When he was in high school, Tebow attended a "Friday Night Lights" weekend at the University of Florida. After a meeting of young players and coaches, the Gators' strength and conditioning coach took Tebow downstairs to the weight room for a cheeseburger.
  As the two sat there having lunch, Tebow asked what the Florida record was for most leg lifts. Mickey Marotti, the coach, replied: "Oh, 18, I think, by some lineman." After he finished his fries, Tebow walked over to the weights, did 19 lifts, and left.
  I will tell you who to compare Tebow to: Steve Young. Out of high school, nobody wanted Young as a quarterback. Recruiters thought he was a running back or a safety.
  He went to BYU because he was a great-great-great grandson of Brigham Young, and he was playing behind Jim McMahon when the Cougars played Colorado in Boulder in 1981. McMahon lit up CU early, then got hurt. Steve came in and ran and passed the Buffs silly, finishing off a 41-20 BYU victory. I wrote a column about this amazing kid. He was strictly a QB at BYU after that game.
  When Young retired, I went to San Francisco, and in his hotel room he told me that he still had that column I wrote about him in college. "You were the first one to really praise me as a QB."
  
  ESPN report quotes McDaniels saying Tebow knows half the playbook already and his mental aptitude is 'off the charts'.
  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5151607

  
  What was Woody Paige doing in Steve Youngs hotel room?
• skank

  

  The best thing about Josh Mcd. was the missed point after vs Massillon in 1994, Tigers 42 Bulldogs 41.
• Speedofsand

  

  [/quote]
  skank wrote
  
  What was Woody Paige doing in Steve Youngs hotel room?
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  Unlike the things YOU do in a San Francisco hotel room, Woody was doing an interview for a newspaper column on Steve Young's retirement.
• skank

  

  Speedofsand wrote:

  skank wrote
  
  What was Woody Paige doing in Steve Youngs hotel room?
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  Unlike the things YOU do in a San Francisco hotel room, Woody was doing an interview for a newspaper column on Steve Young's retirement.
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  Oh, that's what their calling it nowadays....an I n t e r v i e w.
• Speedofsand

  

  skank wrote:

  Speedofsand wrote:

  skank wrote
  
  What was Woody Paige doing in Steve Youngs hotel room?

  Unlike the things YOU do in a San Francisco hotel room, Woody was doing an interview for a newspaper column on Steve Young's retirement.
  [/quote]
  
  Oh, that's what their calling it nowadays....an I n t e r v i e w.
  [/quote]
  
  c'mon man, you can't do any better than that ? you should've stopped at Massillon 42-41