St Louis would deal #1 pick cheaper than some think

• Big Red Monster

  http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/20/talk-increases-that-rams-would-trade-down-on-the-cheap/
• Big Red Monster

  List potential partners as Seattle, Washington and Cleveland.
• sleeper

  

  Bradford won't fix the Browns.
• Non

  

  Not sure about Washington. I'm sure they want a young QB but they need line help for whoever is at QB and they don't have a second or third round pick.
  
  Seattle has two first rounders but they're already in a position to get a QB (Clausen) if they want and another top 14 player. I have to think Pete Carroll likes the position they're in.
  
  Cleveland seems to me to be the most likely trade partner. They have some picks to give up but besides that, Holmgren comes off as someone who wants to make the big move and big headline in this primetime first round.
• jordo212000

  

  Dumb move for any of those teams to trade up. You can find a good QB anywhere in the draft. There's no need to blow your wad at one guy. Especially if you have to give up multiple picks to do it.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  jordo212000 wrote: Dumb move for any of those teams to trade up. You can find a good QB anywhere in the draft. There's no need to blow your wad at one guy. Especially if you have to give up multiple picks to do it.

  I don't disagree with you -- but history says you can't find a GOOD QB anywhere in the draft. They're almost always from the first round.
• jordo212000

  

  Writerbuckeye wrote:
  I don't disagree with you -- but history says you can't find a GOOD QB anywhere in the draft. They're almost always from the first round.

  Tom Brady, 6th round
  Kurt Warner, undrafted
  Marc Bulger, 6th round
  Matt Schaub, 3rd round
  Drew Brees, 2nd round
  Aaron Rodgers, late 1st
  Tony Romo, undrafted
  Matt Hassselbeck, 6th round
  Brett Favre, 2nd round
  
  I could keep going...
• Non

  

  This is a list compiled from a few weeks back.
  
  Basically, the QBs on teams that could challenge for playoffs or more.
  
  Tom Brady - 6th
  Mark Sanchez - 1st
  Ben Roethlisberger - 1st
  Joe Flacco - 1st
  Carson Palmer - 1st
  Peyton Manning - 1st
  Matt Schaub - 3rd
  Vince Young - 1st
  Philip Rivers - 1st
  Kyle Orton - 4th
  Tony Romo - undrafted
  Eli Manning - 1st
  Donovan McNabb - 1st
  Kevin Kolb - 2nd
  Aaron Rodgers - 1st
  Brett Favre - 2nd
  Drew Brees - 2nd
  Matt Ryan - 1st
  Matt Leinart - 1st
  Alex Smith - 1st
  
  Obviously a few of those players are not proven.
  
  There have been some good QBs drafted later on but the majority of top QBs were taken in the Top 35. The second round QBs usually went very early in the second round.
• jordo212000

  

  The point I was trying to make is that you can get a good QB without drafting him #1 overall and it is silly to trade up to do it.
• Non

  

  There is enough evidence for both I would say.
  
  Warner, Brady, Schaub, Hasselbeck, Romo -- that's a strong list to show that you can find a franchise QB outside of the first round.
  
  But plenty of others were taken in the first or early second.
  
  I do think Kafka has a chance to be a sleeper. He really hasn't had enough time to develop. Two years ago when he first started playing he did a lot of running but then last year he made good strides as an efficient passer in the spread passing offense. Not sure about throwing the deep ball. That could be a real weakness.